UK net migration hits record high

[Pork Knuckle Pete]

How very noble of him and do please give him our sincerest regards from all in Blighty. I was just rather intrigued as to which suburb in Berlin he resides, as I have been there many times during my time in the Fatherland. Would he mind you giving out this state secret, do you think.

He lives in Mitte I believe.

 

[carlzeiss]

So are you and I................when it involves Konnie Huq and a nurse uniform.

Do you have any pics ?

 

[Pork Knuckle Pete]

I havent got enough tissues

You've got plenty of issues!

Oh, you said tissues.

 

[symyjym]

Where do the Kurdish Muslims go? They're getting slaughtered by all.

I don't think there are any Kurdish fleeing for their lives. They live safely in Iran, strong in Northern Iraq, and apart from a few skirmishes in Turkey they are fairly stable.

 

[Hastings gull]

He lives in Mitte I believe.

Is that like Neukoelln?

 

[Hastings gull]

You've got plenty of issues!

Oh, you said tissues.

Now steady on. I am sure that Herr T would not approve of these sort of remarks.

 

[El Presidente]

Do you have any pics ?

I do, but sadly only of Ms Huq and nurse's uniforms in separate photos.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I don't think there are any Kurdish fleeing for their lives. They live safely in Iran, strong in Northern Iraq, and apart from a few skirmishes in Turkey they are fairly stable.

Watch the BBC news. There was a Kurdish family in Budapest interviewed on tv.

The Kurdish forces are in the thick of the fighting.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/01/syria-kurds-isis-turkey-civil-war

 

[Pork Knuckle Pete]

Is that like Neukoelln?

That's quite a broad question. Yes is some respects and no in others. Care to narrow your query?

 

[pastafarian]

Fair points. There have been one or two posters on here who have categorically stated they do not care about dying children.

recalled who these posters were yet that categorically stated they do not care about dying children?

Or was it something you just made up?

 

[Wrong-Direction]

There's no easy answer to this so we're all going to go round n round, no we don't have the money or room to take in tens of thousands of people but simply letting the rest of Europe deal with it isn't really an option either, plus everyone's missing the main point, these terrorist groups are slowly getting bigger n bigger, tackling corrupt governments should be the main focus

 

[Hastings gull]

There's no easy answer to this so we're all going to go round n round, no we don't have the money or room to take in tens of thousands of people but simply letting the rest of Europe deal with it isn't really an option either, plus everyone's missing the main point, these terrorist groups are slowly getting bigger n bigger, tackling corrupt governments should be the main focus

Fully agree as would presumably everyone on here that the answer is not easy. Obviously the answer is to tackle the problem at source, and I don't think everyone is missing the point - we all know that. And with say a million muslims entering Europe, there are bound to be a fair sprinkling of present and future terrorists, as you state. You do say we should "tackle" the regimes, but one might argue that we have tried to do this in the past, and with the situation as it is in some of these malfunctioning countries, that is far more easily said than done. Look where it got us in Iraq.

 

[Creaky]

nobody could be failed to be moved by the image yesterday of the drowned young boy floating face down on a turkish beach, but the medias response is, that should now move people to open the doors, if anything it should steady the resolve to do everything possible to stop more people being encouraged and drowning.

Britain should be willing to take a quota as should every EU country, but only if there is a structural and controlled long term solution to this unprecedented flow of people, we shouldnt be forced to just throw open the doors with zero plan in place to seek to control the situation within UN charters and EU laws. And it should be for genuine refugees and not economic migrants. This ramshackle, uncontrolled chaos is partly caused by Germany's unilateral waving of the dublin convention, that stipulates any refugee into the EU must claim asylum in the first EU country they enter. which would be mainly Greece or Italy. Can't expect those 2 to shoulder all the problem, so the whole EU should fund numerous fast track processing centres in those 2 countries and all asylum seekers (IAW with Dublin convention), should be registered there, anyone trying to make it through ten other countries to the richer EU countries, should be immediately sent back to these centres, as should anyone applying anywhere else.
If you have travelled through one safe country (or the country you entered the EU), its not legal to simply move across europe to travel to the country of your personal preference. Not one single person who comes on the channel tunnel or a boat should be allowed to claim asylum in the UK as they are outside the UN and EU law. If their life is in danger, the first safe country they enter is where they should claim ayslum (UN charter), traveling half the world through many countries to cherry pick, where they fancy is not within the laws, if they have come from France, as a minimum, they are not eligible to claim in the UK unless they are french and their life was in danger in France, they have flouted the UN and Dublin convention. They should be also sent to the EU funded application centres. All successful asylum applications should then be sent to whatever EU country is chosen (on a fair quota system) and that individual has to remain in that allocated country on a non citizen, residency basis that doesn't let them move freely or claim benefits in other countries freely for a period of time. That would meet the laws and help those whose lives are at genuine risk, it would control and spread the burden fairly and stop the flagrant rule breaking of people thinking they can cherry pick their top destination. We need to fulfill our moral obligations, but we also need to exercise some controls and organisation, and to change chaotic situations in Kos, Macedonia, Hungary and at Calais and to keep within the UN charter and put the control int o the hands on the EU and not people traffickers getting rich on peoples desperation, right now this is all an uncontrolled shambles and there is nothing to stop it becoming 10x bigger. Open door to a shambles outside the laws on asylum applications is not the answer.

On the face of it quite a reasoned response but there is one major flaw with the argument that refugees should claim asylum in the first EU country they enter, (an EU requirement incidentally and not a UN one which allows a refugee to choose when and where to claim asylum).

That flaw is that should Italy or Greece process all those individuals who land on their shores and grant them asylum and the right of residence there is nothing to then stop those individuals travelling quite legally to wherever they wish in the EU. Then there is the other side of the coin, what would Greece and/or Italy be expected to do with those who are refused asylum but have no documentation. They can't send them back to Libya as they would be refused entry - no other EU country would want to take on the problem so there would be a big incentive for the Greek and Italian authorities to grant asylum to as many applicants as possible in the knowledge that as soon as this has been granted they will be free to travel to other parts of the EU.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Fully agree as would presumably everyone on here that the answer is not easy. Obviously the answer is to tackle the problem at source, and I don't think everyone is missing the point - we all know that. And with say a million muslims entering Europe, there are bound to be a fair sprinkling of present and future terrorists, as you state. You do say we should "tackle" the regimes, but one might argue that we have tried to do this in the past, and with the situation as it is in some of these malfunctioning countries, that is far more easily said than done. Look where it got us in Iraq.

Yeah I agree, one war causes another and so on, the whole situations f***ed, unfortunately I think its inevitable more attacks will happen over here in the future regardless of the refugees coming in, look at Lee rigbys killers, both born here and raised as Christians, people are always going to want to kill civilised civilians to promote their f***ed up ideologies

 

[Creaky]

Saudi Arabia
Size: 2.15 million km²
Population: 28.8 million

Iran
Size: 1.648 million km²
Population: 77.4 million

Turkey
Size: 783,562 km²
Population: 75.8 million

England
Size: 130,395 km²
Population: 63.5 million

Antartica
Size 14,000,000 km²
Population - between 1 and 5 thousand

 

[symyjym]

Watch the BBC news. There was a Kurdish family in Budapest interviewed on tv.

The Kurdish forces are in the thick of the fighting.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/01/syria-kurds-isis-turkey-civil-war

Yep, a strong front line against ISIL and tensions in Turkey, but there always has been regarding the latter.

The Kurdish populated area in the Middle East is massive and if the UN cannot designate a safe zone in an area five times the size of England I would be surprised.

 

[Hastings gull]

On the face of it quite a reasoned response but there is one major flaw with the argument that refugees should claim asylum in the first EU country they enter, (an EU requirement incidentally and not a UN one which allows a refugee to choose when and where to claim asylum).

That flaw is that should Italy or Greece process all those individuals who land on their shores and grant them asylum and the right of residence there is nothing to then stop those individuals travelling quite legally to wherever they wish in the EU. Then there is the other side of the coin, what would Greece and/or Italy be expected to do with those who are refused asylum but have no documentation. They can't send them back to Libya as they would be refused entry - no other EU country would want to take on the problem so there would be a big incentive for the Greek and Italian authorities to grant asylum to as many applicants as possible in the knowledge that as soon as this has been granted they will be free to travel to other parts of the EU.

I genuinely don't know here. I thought that the principle of free movement applied to EU nationals, so to speak. If you are a French citizen, you can then move to and work quite legally in the UK and vice versa. So are you saying that if France approves an asylum seeker from Syria, or wherever, and gives them right of residence, they also have this automatic right to go all over the EU? Does right of residence mean that particular country or anywhere they fancy?

 

[alfredmizen]

Yep, a strong front line against ISIL and tensions in Turkey, but there always has been regarding the latter.

The Kurdish populated area in the Middle East is massive and if the UN cannot designate a safe zone in an area five times the size of England I would be surprised.

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Saladin was a Kurd.

 

[symyjym]

Saladin was a Kurd.

Didn't know that, but I know he was a significant warrior hero to all of Islam.

 

[Albumen]

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/105991/signatures/new

Here's a petition to accept more asylum seekers and increase support for refugee migrants in the UK. Feel free to sign it if
1) You think it will do any good (over 200,000 so far think it will), and
2) You know Britain is not "full".