UK net migration hits record high

[BadFish]

impressive to see the Uk has contributed c£1,000million in funds to support refugees in camps on Syrian borders.

The commitment to take a further 5,000 refugees direct form the Syrian conflict zone is also i think the right approach (albeit too low a number). We should not be encouraging people to take the really dangerous route to Europe. Well resourced and properly run camps near the homelands of those effected, where incumbents can make proper applications for asylum feels right. Some of those in the camps will get safe movement to a welcoming country.

The 5,000 for me should be multipled by a factor of 10 so i think we have much to do to contribute properly and morally.

That said we should do that on sensible terms, the ones above and i think the one the government are following. If Some EU countries want to encourge mass migration direct to their doorstep and then allocate, fine, that is for them to deal with. We should not feel under moral obligation to copy that approach. It is dangerous for those who make the journey, encourged by what they see but putting themselves and rheir families in great danger. The EU is great at trying to impose treaties on those who sign up, as our recent financial contributions have shown, but they cannot force those who disagree and havent signed up.

We can and should do more, but on our terms

The problem is that the refugee camps have been full for many many years. People don't want to go go through the process of applying from a refugee camp because they are poorly resourced and dangerous and the process takes years. The problem of so many people arriving by boat and on foot has been caused by the backlog of people in the camps not being accepted into countries. The system has been there for years, we just haven't bothered to use it and this, coupled with the mass movement of people in Syria (many of whom are refugees from other countries) has caused the scenes we are witnessing now.

 

[Hampster Gull]

The problem is that the refugee camps have been full for many many years. People don't want to go go through the process of applying from a refugee camp because they are poorly resourced and dangerous and the process takes years. The problem of so many people arriving by boat and on foot has been caused by the backlog of people in the camps not being accepted into countries. The system has been there for years, we just haven't bothered to use it and this, coupled with the mass movement of people in Syria (many of whom are refugees from other countries) has caused the scenes we are witnessing now.

Funding should be available to make sure it is never full, that people are treated with respct in a safe environment. And we do process. Taking 200 this year is not playing our part. And we should ship those who break the law back to the camps

 

[Soulman]

How did he smile "Just wait"

You really believe this rubbish?

They can to Europe through France or on a boat from Tunis - they don't need to risk dying on a overloaded boat with refugees

They could get a boat from dieppe and come in on the beach if they wanted to they don't need to risk being caught going through official routes

Do you really think Isis are that stupid ? Do you know how they attack defenses in Iraq and Syria?
They load tons of explosives in about 20 lorries and get prisoners and captives to drive them into the enemy and explode them all at once causing mayhem so the defending troops run away then they attack what's left. They rape they kill they tortchure people- some Al Qaeda people split from them because they thought them too violent and brutal - Do they sound like the type of people that would be bothered about hiding in with refugees to get in to Europe? They don't need to do that they know that as all the attacks so far have proved attacks will be carried out by supporters all ready here and that's what you should be worrying about

I bow to your superior knowledge, i take it you are well in with MI5, if not i should give them a ring, your knowledge could prove invaluable.

 

[BigGully]

The problem is that the refugee camps have been full for many many years. People don't want to go go through the process of applying from a refugee camp because they are poorly resourced and dangerous and the process takes years. The problem of so many people arriving by boat and on foot has been caused by the backlog of people in the camps not being accepted into countries. The system has been there for years, we just haven't bothered to use it and this, coupled with the mass movement of people in Syria (many of whom are refugees from other countries) has caused the scenes we are witnessing now.

You have kind of articulated the problem quite well.

Europe being so lax has encouraged migrants to travel with all it associated risks and with passive/none response at the European borders has exacerbated the problem.

Where do the richer countries pool their resources, within Europe or with the most vulnerable people at refugee camps, undoubtedly the lions share will try to deal with unrest at European borders and the costs to absorb quite significant numbers, inevitably effecting those without means further downstream.

 

[BadFish]

Funding should be available to make sure it is never full, that people are treated with respct in a safe environment. And we do process. Taking 200 this year is not playing our part. And we should ship those who break the law back to the camps

I agree entirely and you suggestion is an excellent one. The problem is that we would have to make the camps the preferred system of the Asylum Seekers. It would have to work better (and be perceived to work better) than chancing your arm with the people smugglers. The only way i can see for this to happen would be for all countries to considerably up their intake over a sustained period of time. Something I really can't see happening. It has been proposed that Australia immediately take in 20,000 from the camps which is IMHO pathetic given the size of our country and the labour and population shortages we have in certain areas.

 

[Chicken Runner61]

Oh ok, not sure if that is definitive when commenting on the whole 10 million displaced, but thank you for putting mind at rest !!

So you think there are 10m Syrian Muslims heading to the UK ? - is that definitive?

Personally I think the displaced Muslim Syrians more likely go to Turkey Lebanon etc etc etc and the Christians and Armenians more likely go to Europe. Obviously some will go where they feel safest Muslim, Christian or aithiest but they will all seem Muslim to some people

 

[BigGully]

I agree entirely and you suggestion is an excellent one. The problem is that we would have to make the camps the preferred system of the Asylum Seekers. It would have to work better (and be perceived to work better) than chancing your arm with the people smugglers. The only way i can see for this to happen would be for all countries to considerably up their intake over a sustained period of time. Something I really can't see happening. It has been proposed that Australia immediately take in 20,000 from the camps which is IMHO pathetic given the size of our country and the labour and population shortages we have in certain areas.

You do realise we are talking about 10 million displaces/refugees Syrians with millions of others.

Where would you draw the line ??

 

[Chicken Runner61]

I bow to your superior knowledge, i take it you are well in with MI5, if not i should give them a ring, your knowledge could prove invaluable.

If you are in contact with MI5 god help us!

What with your Muslim avatar and all!

 

[BigGully]

So you think there are 10m Syrian Muslims heading to the UK ? - is that definitive?

Personally I think the displaced Muslim Syrians more likely go to Turkey Lebanon etc etc etc and the Christians and Armenians more likely go to Europe. Obviously some will go where they feel safest Muslim, Christian or aithiest but they will all seem Muslim to some people

No I commented on your post that you have met a couple of Syrian refugees in Brighton and they were Christian, somehow you used this to back up an unsubstantiated post where you said that most Syrian refugees were Christian.

You can wriggle all you want but that was your analysis of the intake of 1 million refugees.

 

[Soulman]

If you are in contact with MI5 god help us!

What with your Muslim avatar and all!

This is probably rubbish as well.

"The funeral of the drowned “Syrian” (actually Kurdish) boy Aylan Kurdi in his hometown of Kobane, Syria, less than two days after his death at sea off the Turkish coast"
http://newobserveronline.com/drowne...lie-of-nonwhite-war-refugees-invasion-excuse/

 

[BadFish]

You do realise we are talking about 10 million displaces/refugees Syrians with millions of others.

Where would you draw the line ??

What line? There are 50 odd million displaced people around the world. Me, you or anyone else drawing a line doesn't make any difference to those numbers. What this requires is nations coming together to work out a solution to the problem. The last UN refugee convention was in 1954, my opinion is that it is time for another one.

Having said that as far as Australia is concerned I think we should be taking far more than the 18,000 a year we are currently taking.

 

[Soulman]

No I commented on your post that you have met a couple of Syrian refugees in Brighton and they were Christian, somehow you used this to back up an unsubstantiated post where you said that most Syrian refugees were Christian.

You can wriggle all you want but that was your analysis of the intake of 1 million refugees.

Conveniently met, i would add, most Syrian refugees are Christian.........yeah ok.

 

[dangull]

Scotland is a nice country with beautiful scenery. It has many sources of water and all other ingredients to be a nice place to live. The population there is only about 5 million, despite the size of the country compared to England. Instead of settling this mass exodus of people in the over crowded south east of England, I would suggest it would be a sensible option for these people to settle there. They did vote to stay in this United Kingdom recently.

 

[Chicken Runner61]

This is probably rubbish as well.

"The funeral of the drowned “Syrian” (actually Kurdish) boy Aylan Kurdi in his hometown of Kobane, Syria, less than two days after his death at sea off the Turkish coast"
http://newobserveronline.com/drowne...lie-of-nonwhite-war-refugees-invasion-excuse/[/Editorial Policy
Editor1Following the announcement by the Associated Press that they will no longer be referring to “illegal immigrants” as that, the staff at the New Observer wish to place it on record that they agree with this pronouncement.

In future, therefore, “illegal immigrants” will not be referred to as such at the New Observer, but rather a more accurate description will be used, namely “illegal invaders” and “Third World colonizers.”

In addition, to keep pace with this new editorial policy, the New Observer will no longer refer to homosexuals or lesbians as “gay”, but rather as homosexuals and lesbians.

If there are any other “politically correct” perversions of the English language that we have not thought of here, readers can be assured that no matter what, we will continue to call things as they are, rather than what the anti-European extremist genocidists would wish them to be.


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Rob Whatman on August 31, 2015 at 9:27 am
Hear, hear! Well said, my good man! Enough with this political correctness, calling people what they want to be called, pandering to their own conceits!

I additionally propose that we cease to refer to people as ‘patriots’ or ‘defenders of liberty’ and use the correct term, which is ‘traitors to the Crown engaged in vile, rank sedition, engaged in the murder of His Majesty’s lawful authorities and terrorism against His Loyal subjects, holding no law or justice, promise, bond of friendship or sacred oath sacred except that which emanates from the barrels of their muskets and the bloodied point of their bayonets’. Alternatively, simply ‘criminals’, or ‘dangerous revolutionaries upending the God-given social order’ will suffice. For Bostonians, ‘tax-dodgers’, ‘vandals’, and ‘violators of the sanctity of private property and commerce’ are all acceptable.

God Save the King!

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[Soulman]

Scotland is a nice country with beautiful scenery. It has many sources of water and all other ingredients to be a nice place to live. The population there is only about 5 million, despite the size of the country compared to England. Instead of settling this mass exodus of people in the over crowded south east of England, I would suggest, there would be a sensible option for these people to settle. They did vote to stay in this United Kingdom recently.

Not a bad shout, and Nicola Sturgeon did say that that the UK was not fulfilling it's obligation re the number of refugees we should take. So a problem solved and Nicola will be pleased.

 

[Chicken Runner61]

No I commented on your post that you have met a couple of Syrian refugees in Brighton and they were Christian, somehow you used this to back up an unsubstantiated post where you said that most Syrian refugees were Christian.

You can wriggle all you want but that was your analysis of the intake of 1 million refugees.

No it was your spin on what I wrote but you believe what you want

 

[Chicken Runner61]

Conveniently met, i would add, most Syrian refugees are Christian.........yeah ok.

Well you would say that they all look the same to you don't they

 

[cunning fergus]

Your question says it all. But we are in a very privileged position. The industrial revolution and the empire made us as the richest country in the world. We dont owe favours but it does mean we can now live in a better environment than most. Who says? Me

When you say we are rich and privileged, I suspect you mean the Royal we, as it is a irrefutable fact that there are many millions of people who live in chastening poverty here in the UK.......as they did in the industrial revolution.

I think the vast majority of these people who are currently living in chastening poverty, and who are (for example) amongst the 1.8m in England who are waiting for social housing may have a materially different view to you about their wealth and privilege.

It would be good if the BBC and other media sources would canvass these people's opinion on this subject, I have yet to hear what they have to say.

The demographic who appear to be on TV the most and who are in rapture about the prospect of the UK receiving thousands of refugees for the existing UK poor to fight it out with in terms of who can get access to the already scarce resources (like social housing support) are predominantly wealthy middle class liberals.........social democrats. Capitalists masquerading as socialists.

This smug supercilious attitude of people like you reminds me of Bellotti, when he told BHA fans to "stop whining" when the protests started following the announcement of us playing in Portsmouth was made.

It didn't affect him did it...............w@nker.

 

[Soulman]

Well you would say that they all look the same to you don't they

Yet more spin eh.......From 2014

"An image of a child purportedly lying between his parents' graves in Syria that exploded on Facebook and Twitter was actually a staged photo taken as part of an art project.

The graves were not graves but piles of stones, the orphan was not an orphan but the photographer's nephew, and the image itself was actually taken in Saudi Arabia"
Look, it’s not true at all that my picture has anything to do with Syria," he said. "I am really shocked how people have twisted my picture."

"I love photography," he continued. "Every artist has ideas in his head. So I had the idea to make a project whereby I show in pictures how the love of a child for his parents is irreplaceable. This love cannot be substituted by anything or anybody else, even if the parents are dead."

"I am really very annoyed by this. It is just not fair to take one of my photos totally out of context and use it for your own propaganda."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...taken-in-syria-and-not-of-orphan-9067956.html

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[5mins-from-amex]

When you say we are rich and privileged, I suspect you mean the Royal we, as it is a irrefutable fact that there are many millions of people who live in chastening poverty here in the UK.......as they did in the industrial revolution.

I think the vast majority of these people who are currently living in chastening poverty, and who are (for example) amongst the 1.8m in England who are waiting for social housing may have a materially different view to you about their wealth and privilege.

It would be good if the BBC and other media sources would canvass these people's opinion on this subject, I have yet to hear what they have to say.

The demographic who appear to be on TV the most and who are in rapture about the prospect of the UK receiving thousands of refugees for the existing UK poor to fight it out with in terms of who can get access to the already scarce resources (like social housing support) are predominantly wealthy middle class liberals.........social democrats. Capitalists masquerading as socialists.

This smug supercilious attitude of people like you reminds me of Bellotti, when he told BHA fans to "stop whining" when the protests started following the announcement of us playing in Portsmouth was made.

It didn't affect him did it...............w@nker.

This post is bang on the money.