UEFA cave in on FFP

[Lower West Stander]

All very depressing.

The main problem is that no club is going to go bust if rich owners keep providing fresh equity.

 

[Creaky]

Nowhere near the same amount of protest when FFP was not only 'relaxed' in the Championship but blown wide open. A move supported by both our chairman and chief executive!

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Nowhere near the same amount of protest when FFP was not only 'relaxed' in the Championship but blown wide open. A move supported by both our chairman and chief executive!

No protests from me if FFP is binned wherever that may be !

 

[Mo Gosfield]

This.

PSG are owned by Qatar Sports Investments.
Platini voted for Qatar to host the World Cup
He is COMPLETELY in the Arabs pockets - so the moment they start kicking off about FFP stifling their investment, surprise surprise, Platini bends over to take it up the chocolate starfish and starts talking about relaxing the rules. The smelly french brie-munching slag.

You've missed out the word ' corrupt 'from his description.

 

[daveinprague]

Having just being through a shit season, teams like Brighton should be compensated for abiding by it.

 

[Paris]

Now FFP seems to be a thing of the past, should we now strategically throw the kitchen sink at promotion? Get the necessary players in on higher transfer fees and wages. If you can't beat them...

 

[Papa Lazarou]

If you can't beat them...

Go bust trying?

 

[Paris]

Go bust trying?

'Strategically'. Bringing in 5 or 6 players, in key positions, who aren't shot but who have past experience of getting out of the Championship at the right end. Easier said than done, obviously.

Edit: We should attempt to bring in Anthony Knockaert for starters.

 

[Grombleton]

I met one of those on a trip to Dieppe in the early 80's.

It was like going down on Rick Stein's bin.

Just spent a good 2 minutes laughing like a ****. Lovely phrasing there

 

[El Presidente]

All very depressing.

The main problem is that no club is going to go bust if rich owners keep providing fresh equity.

If no club is going to go bust, is there a problem? You won't find the fans of Chelsea or City complaining about rich owners.I know some
of ours whine about TB, but they're either dumb or closet anti-Semitic.

 

[melias shoes]

It's beginning to look as though the FFP financial prudence that has seen the Albion sell its best players and replace them with rubbish has all been for nowt. In the meantime Bournemouth have been promoted to the Prem.

WHAT.A.****ING.SHAMBLES!

Isn't it just.

 

[melias shoes]

I met one of those on a trip to Dieppe in the early 80's.

It was like going down on Rick Stein's bin.

 

[Captain Sensible]

Bin FFP Bin Parachte payments

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Bin FFP Bin Parachte payments

Agreed.

Both are mechanisms to give advantage to the 'haves' over the 'have nots'.

Bin them both and level the playing field.

 

[Paris]

If no club is going to go bust, is there a problem? You won't find the fans of Chelsea or City complaining about rich owners.I know some
of ours whine about TB, but they're either dumb or closet anti-Semitic.

Some people on this forum are anti-semitic. That's a difficult one to detect surely. Just because a percentage of people have a problem with Tony Bloom's(not me personally) running of the club doesn't necessarily mean they have anti-Jewish tendancies.

 

[Northstandfan]

Can anyone confirm what I was told by a delivery driver a couple of weeks ago.
Apparently either last season or the one before (I think he said last season but cant be sure) only three or four championship teams stuck within the FFP rules (the Albion being one of them). The rest either did not bother to try or just failed badly, but at the end of the season no club were fined or punished because so many didn't bother the FA were unable to punish all them so had to let them all off. I guess it would be because if they all went legal and challenged the FA fines or punishment it would cost them a fortune in fee's so the FA bottled. More importantly it means the likes of Brighton get shafted for sticking to the rules which makes you wonder why we can have a season where we can break the rules.. IF WHAT HE SAID WAS TRUE OF COURSE.

 

[Creaky]

Can anyone confirm what I was told by a delivery driver a couple of weeks ago.
Apparently either last season or the one before (I think he said last season but cant be sure) only three or four championship teams stuck within the FFP rules (the Albion being one of them). The rest either did not bother to try or just failed badly, but at the end of the season no club were fined or punished because so many didn't bother the FA were unable to punish all them so had to let them all off. I guess it would be because if they all went legal and challenged the FA fines or punishment it would cost them a fortune in fee's so the FA bottled. More importantly it means the likes of Brighton get shafted for sticking to the rules which makes you wonder why we can have a season where we can break the rules.. IF WHAT HE SAID WAS TRUE OF COURSE.

Last season, (2013/2014), was the first season that penalties came into force for failure to comply with FFP regulations. The figures for that season were presented to the Football League by Championship clubs in December.

The Football League stated in December that of those clubs remaining in the Championship, (i.e. clubs neither promoted nor relegated), just 3 failed to comply with the FFP regulations - Blackburn, Leeds and Forest.

 

[Lower West Stander]

If no club is going to go bust, is there a problem? You won't find the fans of Chelsea or City complaining about rich owners.I know some
of ours whine about TB, but they're either dumb or closet anti-Semitic.

Depends.

We either have proper FFP and let clubs go under or we have nothing and let clubs do what they want.

Portsmouth fans thought Gaydamak was the dog's bollocks in 2008 - they don't now.

 

[El Presidente]

Depends.

We either have proper FFP and let clubs go under or we have nothing and let clubs do what they want.

Portsmouth fans thought Gaydamak was the dog's bollocks in 2008 - they don't now.

Problem is with 'proper' FFP Manchester United would have won the league for each of the last 15 seasons. Only Arsenal have come close to matching them financially, and that was a good while ago. Chelsea, City and perhaps Blackburn too managed to compete with United due to owner investment, which would breach most people's understanding of FFP.

 

[Creaky]

Problem is with 'proper' FFP Manchester United would have won the league for each of the last 15 seasons. Only Arsenal have come close to matching them financially, and that was a good while ago. Chelsea, City and perhaps Blackburn too managed to compete with United due to owner investment, which would breach most people's understanding of FFP.

FFP has tried to be all things to all people and failed completely! It's been 'sold' as a measure to protect the financial well being of clubs - it doesn't. A means to curtail player wages - it hasn't. To level the playing field between clubs - again it hasn't.

Had FFP addressed the real problem faced by clubs, debt, then it would have had a real chance. Instead FFP actively promotes clubs getting further and further into debt via 'permitted losses' and allowing those losses to be covered by clubs borrowing from their owners.

'Proper FFP' based not on the P&L of a club but on the Balance Sheet might have a chance. Allow clubs to make what losses they like so long as those losses are covered by equity purchase not loans. Prevent clubs that make a loss from paying a dividend. That way clubs would not be increasing their liabilities and if a chairman or rich patron wanted to take a gamble on getting their club promoted or higher up the league then it would be real money they would be risking with no chance of getting it back unless they can get the club to trade profitably.

If a club owner knew that the cost of buying a player and paying astronomical wages was going to come directly from their pockets it might make them think twice. This might have a chance of curtailing player costs. It would certainly stop owners taking a gamble on getting promotion and getting the money they have put into the club back from the higher income.

The chance of clubs getting into financial difficulties would be reduced as clubs couldn't get into debt.

Whilst my suggested system of FFP wouldn't level the playing field between clubs per se it would give all clubs the same potential opportunity.