[Football] Tyrone Mings Quick Out Of The Traps......

[MJsGhost]

Mental health is the big leveller. Issues can affect the highest in society or the poorest. Saying someone is too privileged to be affected by mental health is akin to saying someone is too privileged to break their leg.

I work with female victims of sexual abuse, both in childhood and adulthood who have turned to substance abuse and have mental health issues, known as complex needs.
They come from many differing backgrounds. Some from very wealthy families. Some from very poor families. Some middle class etc. The one thing they all have in common is that you wouldn’t have a clue about their background on first meeting them. When I’m doing chest compressions on an intentional overdose at 3am, I have never stopped to question if she’s faking it.

Hats off and thank you for doing what you do. I think I would spend a lot of time being angry at the world, if I had to see/hear what you must be exposed to on a daily basis.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

... in this post-Biles era.

'Mental Health' set to replace VAR as the EPL issue of the upcoming season.

Didn't it used to be called what it was? IE the pressure that naturally comes with having to perform at the level of 'elite' sport that pays your million quid wage?

Like Biles, maybe the simple solution is just to switch off your twitter feed?

Clearly you've never suffered from mental health issues then. Otherwise you wouldn't have posted such a prickish post.

 

[rippleman]

Mental health is the big leveller. Issues can affect the highest in society or the poorest. Saying someone is too privileged to be affected by mental health is akin to saying someone is too privileged to break their leg.

I work with female victims of sexual abuse, both in childhood and adulthood who have turned to substance abuse and have mental health issues, known as complex needs.
They come from many differing backgrounds. Some from very wealthy families. Some from very poor families. Some middle class etc. The one thing they all have in common is that you wouldn’t have a clue about their background on first meeting them. When I’m doing chest compressions on an intentional overdose at 3am, I have never stopped to question if she’s faking it.

It is a big leveller. Or is it?

As has already been pointed out by those with an "in", and as we all probably recognise, there is very little money being put in to provide support and treatment for those with mental health issues for the vast majority of sufferers.

Access to mental health resources when you're a multi-millionaire sportsperson with a public profile........not so difficult. In fact not difficult at all. Like all health services, if you earn the wedge to pay for them, you can get what you want when you want it.

My empathy is with those who suffer mental health issues going about their day jobs, paying the mortgage, bringing up families who rarely have access to mental health nurses etc.

 

[The Clamp]

Hats off and thank you for doing what you do. I think I would spend a lot of time being angry at the world, if I had to see/hear what you must be exposed to on a daily basis.

Thank you. Unfortunately it becomes rather normalised. Which can actually help with the work we do. But no matter how desensitised we become, every now and again a case can really jam a stick in your spokes. It’s usually the younger ones that break our hearts. Because we know what life awaits them if we can’t help them quickly.

As many have said, poor mental health is as real for a superstar as it is for someone off an estate.

 

[Fat Boy Fat]

Quite a wide range of emotional issues at play.

Biles was one of many victims of serial sex offender Nassar. Scarred for life imo. Who wouldn’t have empathy?

Kyle Walker trotted out some mental health issues AFTER being caught yet again breaking Lockdown laws to party and **** escorts. I’m surprised Lockdown (alleged) drink driver Grealish didn’t claim the same thing. On a different planet to Biles, sorry but far less sympathy from me.

Overall with depression or anxiety, it can afflict anyone. I’m glad that it’s openly expressed these days.

So a bit like Piers Morgan you decide who you want to believe, which was sort of his point (as wrong as he was about Biles).

You can't pick and choose who you believe, just because you don't like the cut of their jib!

 

[Brighton & Love]

Mental health is the big leveller. Issues can affect the highest in society or the poorest. Saying someone is too privileged to be affected by mental health is akin to saying someone is too privileged to break their leg.
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What happened to Avicii a few years back shows how you can be literally living the absolute dream but yet mental illness can still destroy all of that for you. I was shocked when I heard about his suicide. There's a good documentary on the BBC website about him. I think people just assume if you're rich, famous and successful, you're guaranteed to be happy, and I can imagine how lonely that must feel for people going through mental illness with that sort of view.

 

[The Clamp]

It is a big leveller. Or is it?

As has already been pointed out by those with an "in", and as we all probably recognise, there is very little money being put in to provide support and treatment for those with mental health issues for the vast majority of sufferers.

Access to mental health resources when you're a multi-millionaire sportsperson with a public profile........not so difficult. In fact not difficult at all. Like all health services, if you earn the wedge to pay for them, you can get what you want when you want it.

My empathy is with those who suffer mental health issues going about their day jobs, paying the mortgage, bringing up families who rarely have access to mental health nurses etc.

You make a fair point but I was referring more to someone’s feelings at the point of crisis, if you see what I mean? Also those suffering from poor mental health do not always seek help, whether they can afford it or not.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Clearly you've never suffered from mental health issues then. Otherwise you wouldn't have posted such a prickish post.

Clearly not one of these EPL millionaire pricks would have broken ranks pre-Biles. Now it's all tea and sympathy because they're feeling the pressure that comes with the rewards that come with any kind of high profile job. Goes with the turf shirley

 

[The Clamp]

Clearly not one of these EPL millionaire pricks would have broken ranks pre-Biles. Now it's all tea and sympathy because they're feeling the pressure that comes with the rewards that come with any kind of high profile job. Goes with the turf shirley

How much does one need in the bank to be immune from mental health issues? Could you give an exact amount?
And isn’t “feeling the pressure” a strain on mental health? Some people’s mental health will suffer from that pressure. Shirley?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Clearly not one of these EPL millionaire pricks would have broken ranks pre-Biles. Now it's all tea and sympathy because they're feeling the pressure that comes with the rewards that come with any kind of high profile job. Goes with the turf shirley

Good grief There are lots of different mental illnesses not all linked to stress / pressure. Money can't protect you from them anymore than it can protect you from breaking a bone.

I can only assume that you're the type of person that tells someone with depression just to cheer up, or someone with anxiety that they should stop worrying.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

How much does one need in the bank to be immune from mental health issues? Could you give an exact amount?
And isn’t “feeling the pressure” a strain on mental health? Some people’s mental health will suffer from that pressure. Shirley?

We're got this shit Albion song, right, prob other clubs do so also. It goes:

'Cry in a minute
He's going to cry in a minute'

What if that were actually to happen and the guy actually burst into tears in real time and was forced to leave the field of play sobbing?

I think we all know the answer.

So spare me your right-on virtue-signalling shit

 

[Westdene Seagull]

We're got this shit Albion song, right, prob other clubs do so also. It goes:

'Cry in a minute
He's going to cry in a minute'

What if that were actually to happen and the guy actually burst into tears in real time and was forced to leave the field of play sobbing?

I think we all know the answer.

So spare me your right-on virtue-signalling shit

I've got a spare shovel I can deliver to you if you wish ?

 

[Weststander]

So a bit like Piers Morgan you decide who you want to believe, which was sort of his point (as wrong as he was about Biles).

You can't pick and choose who you believe, just because you don't like the cut of their jib!

I like Walker, fine footballer.

He didn’t claim chronic, crippling mental health issues. Instead he said Covid Lockdowns were painful in not being able to physically visit his relatives.

He only mentioned this after being caught again breaking Lockdown laws, something music stars and politicians of all colours have been taken to task on in the media and nsc. Walker was criticised on nsc too.

His point is that the public/press harassed him and his family for the Lockdown breaches, to his dismay.

This is repeated self-inflicted, a long way from the Black Dog, the hell suffered by Biles, Yardy, Trescothick, Osaka or anyone else fighting a daily struggle to carry on …. or not.

 

[The Clamp]

We're got this shit Albion song, right, prob other clubs do so also. It goes:

'Cry in a minute
He's going to cry in a minute'

What if that were actually to happen and the guy actually burst into tears in real time and was forced to leave the field of play sobbing?

I think we all know the answer.

So spare me your right-on virtue-signalling shit

Paul Gascoigne famously cried on the pitch and even back in the 90’s he got respect and sympathy, not ridicule. He’s a good example really. A man with the world at his feet who’s mental health issues lead to substance abuse and ruin. See also George Best, Mike Tyson, Flintoff…it’s nothing new.

You know what your post tells me? That you know you’re talking nonsense. That’s why you’re going on the attack and ignoring the question.
I suggest you do some research or perhaps volunteer at a mental health charity. Gain an understanding of the issue. If not, can I respectfully ask that you zip it. Your lack of knowledge on the subject is drifting into the realms of the offensive.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I've got a spare shovel I can deliver to you if you wish ?

For sure, why not? Happy to see off all this crybaby fake virtue signalling all day long. Apart from when I'm on me designated meal break, obviously

 

[Fat Boy Fat]

I like Walker, fine footballer.

He didn’t claim chronic, crippling mental health issues. Instead he said Covid Lockdowns were painful in not being able to physically visit his relatives.

He only mentioned this after being caught again breaking Lockdown laws, something music stars and politicians of all colours have been taken to task on in the media and nsc. Walker was criticised on nsc too.

His point is that the public/press harassed him and his family for the Lockdown breaches, to his dismay.

This is repeated self-inflicted, a long way from the Black Dog, the hell suffered by Biles, Yardy, Trescothick, Osaka or anyone else fighting a daily struggle to carry on …. or not.

Understood, but you have brought to the front the spectre of picking who you believe.

Very dangerous ground as Mr Morgan demonstrated.

 

[Saladpack Seagull]

Thank you. Unfortunately it becomes rather normalised. Which can actually help with the work we do. But no matter how desensitised we become, every now and again a case can really jam a stick in your spokes. It’s usually the younger ones that break our hearts. Because we know what life awaits them if we can’t help them quickly.

As many have said, poor mental health is as real for a superstar as it is for someone off an estate.

You and your colleagues are also open to mental health issues due to the frequency and importance of your interventions with the people in your care. Both of my stints in healthcare, one at a military hospital 36 years ago, and the one I've recently retired from in dementia care (mainly end of life) ended with what I now know to be "compassion fatigue". Extreme situations are the norm and becoming desensitised is the only way to be able to handle some situations. Your working experience, and mine, are a world away from the experience of an elite athlete, but that really isn't the point. People arrive at a recognition of their own mental health issues via all sorts of avenues, some perceived to be "tough" routes, and others thought of as less so because of their apparent wealth or status. I hope we can reach a point where all cries for help, from whatever direction, can be taken seriously and the appropriate help given. Somehow, I think we're quite a way off that at the moment.

 

[The Clamp]

For sure, why not? Happy to see off all this crybaby fake virtue signalling all day long. Apart from when I'm on me designated meal break, obviously

Do you understand what virtue signalling is? Or even “fake” virtue signalling. Not sure how that works.
Could you explain why having empathy or even just giving someone the benefit of the doubt, is virtue signalling?

Can I ask again, what financial figure makes one immune to poor mental health? Say if I gave one of the heroin addicted women at my work a million pounds? She wouldn’t spend that on heroin would she? Because she’s now immune from her mental health problems.

Do you see how ludicrous your argument is?

 

[Weststander]

Understood, but you have brought to the front the spectre of picking who you believe.

Very dangerous ground as Mr Morgan demonstrated.

I do understand your point.

Genuinely in real life and on nsc I have all the time in the world for sufferers. Including wealthy celebs, money’s irrelevant.

Just far less sympathy for footballers, music stars and politicians who broke Lockdown, then mentioned their loved ones and that anguish when caught.

I understand Mings perspective.

Morgan was a tabloid bully. But the funny thing was …. half of nsc adored it when he out shouted a Tory, loathed him when he took apart a Labour front bencher. Vice versa for others.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

For sure, why not? Happy to see off all this crybaby fake virtue signalling all day long. Apart from when I'm on me designated meal break, obviously

I suffer from anxiety - wakes me up at 3am most mornings. I'm just coming to the end of a two week sign off from work due to depression. I assume you probably think I need to man up and stop my "crybaby [sic] fake virtue signalling" ? Really, pack it in - you clearly know eff all about mental illness and how it affects EVERYONE .... regardless of wealth.