Trump

[dingodan]

Are you talking about the laptop that California resident Hunter Biden apparently dropped off at his local IT repair shop 2,800 miles away in Delaware as 'proof'? The shop where the avowedly Trump supporting owner cannot identify Biden, because he is blind, but is sure it was him, but has lost the security footage? Proof that he sent to Rudy Guiliani, who, last year Intelligence Services warned the White House was being targeted by Russia to feed misinformation to Donald Trump? Proof that is so obviously manufactured that the New York Post reporters refused to put their names on the report of it, and even Fox News laughed Giuliani off air?

'Proven' beyond doubt. (If you choose not to doubt what you want to be true.)

The Intelligence Services have said that there is nothing to suggest that the laptop and it's contents have anything to do with Russia or anyone else.
Director of National Intelligence: no intelligence to support that Russian disinformation efforts were connected to recently surfaced emails that have been behind stories critical of Hunter Biden and his father.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/21/politics/fbi-russia-disinformation/index.html

Parties to the email exchanges have come out and verified them, and provided their own information seperately.
Bobulinski came forward earlier Thursday to corroborate emails revealed exclusively by The Post.
https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/hunter-ex-partner-tony-bobulinski-calls-joe-biden-a-liar/

Pictures from the laptop prove that the material belongs to HB, and could have served as leverage against JB, making him compromised.

Voicemails/phone conversations from HB's business partners have them admitting how serious this stuff is. "You'll bury us all", and "I just think that if somebody comes out now and verifies the story it blows up big time that’s all."

Believe what you want, you will anyway, but the laptop isn't even actually important anymore, because it just acts as a sign post which can then be followed beyond it's own contents to find verifying and related information, this isn't all in the bubble of the laptop. That has just got the ball rolling and told people where they need to look for the rest, i.e. contacts, filings, schedules, witnesses.

I honestly don't think this will change the election result, especially since the media won't cover the actual story. But regardless, this genie is not going back in the bottle.

 

[dingodan]

You literally just said a few posts ago that that is how US Foreign Policy works?!

I said that having nations deal with corruption is a conditionality of aid.

Having a prosecutor fired isn't quite the same thing. Since that prosecutor was investigating JB's son's company, and since email exchanges show the HB was being asked to get things done (by his dad) to take the heat off the company a month before that happened, there is the slight appearance of a conflict of interest, to say the least.

 

[Stato]

I honestly don't think this will change the election result, especially since the media won't cover the actual story. But regardless, this genie is not going back in the bottle.

After the election is over, nobody will care.

'Primary Colors' was written over twenty years ago. Are there still people interested in US politics who haven't read it and understood its meaning?

 

[Stato]

I said that having nations deal with corruption is a conditionality of aid.

Having a prosecutor fired isn't quite the same thing. Since that prosecutor was investigating JB's son's company, and since email exchanges show the HB was being asked to get things done (by his dad) to take the heat off the company a month before that happened, there is the slight appearance of a conflict of interest, to say the least.

Give it up. You believe it if you want, but in political reality, the story was told and the result was Trump's impeachment. The fact that the Trump campaign now brings it back up just reminds everyone that he was impeached. Its not breaking through as a message and I suspect has only been re-hashed because they have nothing else. Biden hasn't looked senile during the campaign and nobody in the middle seems to have bought the message that he's in the pocket of the left.

The second debate allowed everyone to watch Biden talk policy and Trump throw mud. Trump's like someone heckling a stand up comedian that the audience doesn't like. Everyone was on his side when he was shouting about how rubbish the person on the stage was, once he won and had to do his own act, it was obvious that all he had was complaints about everyone else and no ideas of his own.

 

[dingodan]

Give it up. You believe it if you want, but in political reality, the story was told and the result was Trump's impeachment. The fact that the Trump campaign now brings it back up just reminds everyone that he was impeached. Its not breaking through as a message and I suspect has only been re-hashed because they have nothing else. Biden hasn't looked senile during the campaign and nobody in the middle seems to have bought the message that he's in the pocket of the left.

The second debate allowed everyone to watch Biden talk policy and Trump throw mud. Trump's like someone heckling a stand up comedian that the audience doesn't like. Everyone was on his side when he was shouting about how rubbish the person on the stage was, once he won and had to do his own act, it was obvious that all he had was complaints about everyone else and no ideas of his own.

I've not heard the campaign bring it up? (maybe they have, I don't know) I brought it up, it can be viewed in a new light today, that's all.

It's fine if you think Biden will make a good (or better) president than Trump did. But just don't kind yourself that it isn't a case of more of the same Washington politicians who peddle their influence and make themselves rich on the back of their power.

I don't really care who wins the election tbh. But these events, from the way the steele dossier (inuendo, speculation and rumour) was treated all the way up to this now (documented evidence), have revealed the double standards people have, in particular the media. But people on here too. When there are suggestions of Trumps wrongdoing it's proof positive that he is corrupt and awful. When the evidence is stronger against JB, ah, it's just a russian conspiracy, a waste of time. Today the news is whatever the media (and tech companies apparently) want it to be. It's whatever will hurt who they (or you) don't like, and whatever will help who they (or you) do like.

That's fine I guess, it is what it is. Just don't be all "Trump is a criminal" etc unless you care about criminality across the board and are willing to apply the same standards to everyone.

 

[Gwylan]

When there are suggestions of Trumps wrongdoing it's proof positive that he is corrupt and awful. When the evidence is stronger against JB, ah, it's just a russian conspiracy, a waste of time. Today the news is whatever the media (and tech companies apparently) want it to be. It's whatever will hurt who they (or you) don't like, and whatever will help who they (or you) do like.

I can only assume that you're taking some serious mind-altering drugs because that's a complete distortion of reality.

Let's not forget that Trump was thoroughly investigated by Robert Mueller, a card-carrying Republican with impeccable credentials. He considered two charges: was Trump involved in corrupt activities and did he obstruct justice? He said that he could find no evidence on the first charge but did on the second but it wasn't in his remit to prosecute. That's not the media nit-picking what they like, that's within a 500-page report.

On the other hand, there are no concrete charges against Biden. He has released years of tax returns (unlike Trump) and there's not a sign of any payments coming from foreign powers. Unless he has some off-shore account out of the reach of the US IRS (which again, we know that Trump has) then there's not the slightest evidence of corruption,

As for media silence on the matter, it's clear that you don't know how publications operate (particularly in the US). Everything is checked and triple checked. I've written for US publications and know how extensively journalists are quizzed to justify their stories. The Hunter Biden laptop story has some coverage but newspapers aren't taking it seriously because it's remarkably fact-free - not through any deep-seated desire to hide the truth.

Believe me, if a journalist on any paper found cast-iron proof that Biden was corrupt, it would be on a front page quicker than you could say Bernstein and Woodward and that journalist would be crowing about it for weeks to come.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

rEd WaVE iS cOmINg

 

[knocky1]

Sorry wrong thread.

 

[dingodan]

UPS now has found Tucker's package.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...package-Tucker-Carlson-claimed-destroyed.html

Glenn Greenwald has resigned from TheIntercept.
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/my-resignation-from-the-intercept

 

[spence]

Red wave is coming

Fake news, lies, corruption, socialism, racism etc will see the democrats defeated heavily on November 3rd

Trump 2020

 

[StonehamPark]

Red wave is coming

Fake news, lies, corruption, socialism, racism etc will see the democrats defeated heavily on November 3rd

Trump 2020

https://www.amazon.ca/Combating-Cult-Mind-Control-Destructive-ebook/dp/B00V9DU340

 

[vegster]

It sounds like a comedy routine to me:

Trump introduced 7-time failed candidate for Westminster Farage as "one of the most powerful men in Europe."

Farage called 5-time draft dodger Trump "the bravest man he's ever met."

Laughed? I nearly shat.

Well, he's close to destroying the United Kingdom without ever being elected to a UK parliament !

 

[sparkie]

I've not heard the campaign bring it up? (maybe they have, I don't know) I brought it up, it can be viewed in a new light today, that's all.

It's fine if you think Biden will make a good (or better) president than Trump did. But just don't kind yourself that it isn't a case of more of the same Washington politicians who peddle their influence and make themselves rich on the back of their power.

I don't really care who wins the election tbh. But these events, from the way the steele dossier (inuendo, speculation and rumour) was treated all the way up to this now (documented evidence), have revealed the double standards people have, in particular the media. But people on here too. When there are suggestions of Trumps wrongdoing it's proof positive that he is corrupt and awful. When the evidence is stronger against JB, ah, it's just a russian conspiracy, a waste of time. Today the news is whatever the media (and tech companies apparently) want it to be. It's whatever will hurt who they (or you) don't like, and whatever will help who they (or you) do like.

That's fine I guess, it is what it is. Just don't be all "Trump is a criminal" etc unless you care about criminality across the board and are willing to apply the same standards to everyone.

As soon as I hear that Biden is controlled by Putin, I'll be down on him like a ton of bricks. Lol.

 

[BN41Albion]

Red wave is coming

Fake news, lies, corruption, socialism, racism etc will see the democrats defeated heavily on November 3rd

Trump 2020

Spence has to be wind up account, surely

 

[Weststander]

The blue wave is coming.

Trump’s about to lose.

Alienating middle aged and elderly voters in normally Republican states is going to cost him.

Plus countless millions in minorities who don’t normally vote, have, to see the back of the racist.

Watch this space.

 

[vegster]

UPS now has found Tucker's package.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...package-Tucker-Carlson-claimed-destroyed.html

Glenn Greenwald has resigned from TheIntercept.
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/my-resignation-from-the-intercept

Surely he should complain to the Supreme Court about this terrible crime against his rights of freedom of expression ? I'm sure he will get a good judgement now Amy Coney Barrett has tipped the balance ?

 

[dingodan]

Surely he should complain to the Supreme Court about this terrible crime against his rights of freedom of expression ? I'm sure he will get a good judgement now Amy Coney Barrett has tipped the balance ?

Nobody has committed a crime against his freedom of expression, he has left the paper he founded and will publish his work independently. He founded the paper because of media censorship after leaving The Guardian.

Not sure if you know of him, but he is one of the very few real journalists around. Has integrity, is consistent, is principled. I probably don't agree with all his politics as he is a liberal lefty, but I have always had a lot of respect for him after what he did to break the Edward Snowden NSA documents story. Whenever I have listened to him speak I have found him extremely impressive. A proper journalist.

 

[BadFish]

I've not heard the campaign bring it up? (maybe they have, I don't know) I brought it up, it can be viewed in a new light today, that's all.

It's fine if you think Biden will make a good (or better) president than Trump did. But just don't kind yourself that it isn't a case of more of the same Washington politicians who peddle their influence and make themselves rich on the back of their power.

I don't really care who wins the election tbh. But these events, from the way the steele dossier (inuendo, speculation and rumour) was treated all the way up to this now (documented evidence), have revealed the double standards people have, in particular the media. But people on here too. When there are suggestions of Trumps wrongdoing it's proof positive that he is corrupt and awful. When the evidence is stronger against JB, ah, it's just a russian conspiracy, a waste of time. Today the news is whatever the media (and tech companies apparently) want it to be. It's whatever will hurt who they (or you) don't like, and whatever will help who they (or you) do like.

That's fine I guess, it is what it is. Just don't be all "Trump is a criminal" etc unless you care about criminality across the board and are willing to apply the same standards to everyone.

I think most people's dislike of Trump is about what they hear coming out of his mouth. People don't need documented evidence of his wrong doings, they can see for themselves that he is a classless, bulling oaf who courts controversy and seeks to divide people. We don't need biased secondary evidence to show us this. We have the evidence of our ears and eyes. This is not double standards as Biden is not these things.

I have not seen a single person, poster on here or anywhere else suggest that Biden is anything more than the least worst of the two. He is not painted as some sort of saviour of the USA and by extension the free world. He is simply not the classes, bulling, devisive oaf that people see Trump as. All the guff about Russian and Chinese conspiracies is just a side show, one that in my opinion works in Trumps favour as is distracts the voter from his horrendous personality. To me this election comes down to a pretty simple choice: Divisive, bulling oaf V doddery old career, establishment politician.

I wish that this election was about politics and what is best for the Amercian people but I am not nieve enough to think it is the case. I watched the two debates betwen the candidates and it was notable how little policies were discussed. Lets face it, if it was about policies and working for the American people then Saunders would have made it much further in the race.

I don't think it is double standards at all, I think that lots of people just don't like Trump and for good reason. It is highly disingenuous to questions people's motives for disliking him given what they see and hear him say and do. As I have said, no-one is turning a blind eye to Biden's failings. Most people on balance just think that he is a bit better than Trump.

 

[BN41Albion]

I think most people's dislike of Trump is about what they hear coming out of his mouth. People don't need documented evidence of his wrong doings, they can see for themselves that he is a classless, bulling oaf who courts controversy and seeks to divide people. We don't need biased secondary evidence to show us this. We have the evidence of our ears and eyes. This is not double standards as Biden is not these things.

I have not seen a single person, poster on here or anywhere else suggest that Biden is anything more than the least worst of the two. He is not painted as some sort of saviour of the USA and by extension the free world. He is simply not the classes, bulling, devisive oaf that people see Trump as. All the guff about Russian and Chinese conspiracies is just a side show, one that in my opinion works in Trumps favour as is distracts the voter from his horrendous personality. To me this election comes down to a pretty simple choice: Divisive, bulling oaf V doddery old career, establishment politician.

I wish that this election was about politics and what is best for the Amercian people but I am not nieve enough to think it is the case. I watched the two debates betwen the candidates and it was notable how little policies were discussed. Lets face it, if it was about policies and working for the American people then Saunders would have made it much further in the race.

I don't think it is double standards at all, I think that lots of people just don't like Trump and for good reason. It is highly disingenuous to questions people's motives for disliking him given what they see and hear him say and do. As I have said, no-one is turning a blind eye to Biden's failings. Most people on balance just think that he is a bit better than Trump.

Absolutely this. Beggars belief that anyone can be pro Trump based on what comes out of his mouth. Take away people believing in fake news, conspiracies, etc, what comes out of his mouth and appears on his twitter feed on a daily basis should be enough to realise what an utter cvnt the man is.

 

[Curious Orange]

UPS now has found Tucker's package.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...package-Tucker-Carlson-claimed-destroyed.html

Glenn Greenwald has resigned from TheIntercept.
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/my-resignation-from-the-intercept

There are awful lot of words in those two articles in order to say not much.

First article - we found them! (But don't say what is in them)

Second article - I resigned because I disagreed with my editor.