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[Kinky Gerbil]

I saw one of the states that is planning to reopen – Georgia, possibly – currently has an increasing number of cases. With that in mind, I'm not sure I can find any positive case for it to be 'liberated', as Trumpo would say...

And I'm not sure that the press actually want it to fail, they just don't agree with it and are wary of the move, especially given that the president set out guidelines completely contradicting it a few days before and then suddenly went against his own measured and encouraged the protesters. Absolutely bonkers.

The tone of the media reports come across as it wanting to fail so they can call them dumb American rednecks.

 

[LlcoolJ]

It's genuinely a disgrace, I have this conversation over here all the time. People hear what I would get in the UK and are just blown away, they use the old tax bullshit and I show them they're wrong there too and they just kind of short circuit. What blows my mind the most is that healthcare not being a right for everyone is a surprisingly widely spread issue with support from all sides, you of course have all the nutjobs like those in the pics at the protests thinking poor people should die. It's the amount of people I know personally who consider themselves 'liberal progressives' that are adamantly against an NHS type system, it's bizarre and almost like they're all brainwashed. How can you consider yourself progressive if you think poor people should die? I don't understand.

This is a moving and also quite terrifying post.

Thanks for giving us information from the horses mouth as it were.

And good luck!

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

I saw one of the states that is planning to reopen – Georgia, possibly – currently has an increasing number of cases. With that in mind, I'm not sure I can find any positive case for it to be 'liberated', as Trumpo would say...

And I'm not sure that the press actually want it to fail, they just don't agree with it and are wary of the move, especially given that the president set out guidelines completely contradicting it a few days before and then suddenly went against his own measured and encouraged the protesters. Absolutely bonkers.

It is Georgia but don't worry as they are only going to open businesses where you can still practice safe distancing.
So first to open will be tattoo parlours, nail bars and hairdressers.
I have always thought that in a strange country, Georgia is one of the strangest with a very chequered history.

 

[vegster]

I saw one of the states that is planning to reopen – Georgia, possibly – currently has an increasing number of cases. With that in mind, I'm not sure I can find any positive case for it to be 'liberated', as Trumpo would say...

And I'm not sure that the press actually want it to fail, they just don't agree with it and are wary of the move, especially given that the president set out guidelines completely contradicting it a few days before and then suddenly went against his own measured and encouraged the protesters. Absolutely bonkers.

Spain now extending the lockdown until mid- May.

 

[vegster]

Donny has now threatened to shoot down Iranian gunboats. Damn those pesky flying gunboats.

I actually thought you were joking, but, I checked and found this IS correct.

 

[LlcoolJ]

The tone of the media reports come across as it wanting to fail so they can call them dumb American rednecks.

The thing is that "dumb American rednecks" isn't actually just a media concept. There really are millions of them. Just as there are millions of thick chav scumbags here.

The rednecks just have more sway politically at present and their choice of leader is even worse than ours.

I can't see it as the media wanting the plan to fail. Just reporting the idiocy.

If we can't report idiots being idiots then we really have lost any bearing on what is news, and may as well report what Trump says as fact.

I don't want to live in that world.

 

[The Fifth Column]

I love The States and like the Yanks I've met. It's a diverse nation, I wouldn't want to lump the many good people, with the rednecks, racists and thick (unfortunately they have huge voting power too).

Yeah I know, it was a bit of a sweeping statement from me to label them all with the same brush.I too have known some half decent yanks over the years but what is happening over there right now shows that a very large proportion of them really are quite stupid. Not all of them though just a shitload of them.

 

[LlcoolJ]

It is Georgia but don't worry as they are only going to open businesses where you can still practice safe distancing.
So first to open will be tattoo parlours, nail bars and hairdressers.
I have always thought that in a strange country, Georgia is one of the strangest with a very chequered history.

A good analogy I heard on the news last night (can't remember which US politician / scientist it was sorry) was that some states relaxing the lockdown was like having a peeing area in a swimming pool.

Georgia will basically be filling their corner of the pool with piss.

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

Donny has now threatened to shoot down Iranian gunboats. Damn those pesky flying gunboats.

Maybe he was watching Wacky Races and Professor Pat Pending had changed in Iranian gunboat power.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Can watch this again and again....

I stand by wishing death upon these people and stick my fingers up to the tossers that dont like it

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[The Fifth Column]

I stand by wishing death upon these people and stick my fingers up to the tossers that dont like it

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Definitely seems to be a chromosome or two missing from some of those people..

 

[vegster]

I’d like to reconfirm I don’t agree with it, I get why workers are wanting to - they have no money coming in which is why I think calling some idiots (not that you have)is unfair.

The USA was always going to get bored of it, as soon as it was out of control it was done, they will open up.

My point (badly out) was if it turns out that they plateau still in a couple of weeks that will become interesting as it backs up Swedens approach.

The death toll is going to go up either way.

It's going to get worse unless the lockdown continues, raising it will cause an explosion of cases especially in densely packed urban areas. Trouble is, you only get one real chance at a lockdown, once that gives way or collapses all hell breaks loose because you can't put the genie back in the bottle.

I'm not a number cruncher but the raw data from the US shows it has/had 819,000 cases of Covid-19 and 45,000 fatalities, the population of the US is 319 million. I know not everyone will get it but that could be an astonishing death toll if they get it wrong.

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

Yeah I know, it was a bit of a sweeping statement from me to label them all with the same brush.I too have known some half decent yanks over the years but what is happening over there right now shows that a very large proportion of them really are quite stupid. Not all of them though just a shitload of them.

Like the clip of the bloke on GMTV this morning, protesting about the lockdown, it's all madness, it doesn't exist except in the media, we are the land of the free and I do not believe in it.
He has recently died of Coronavirus.

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

I stand by wishing death upon these people and stick my fingers up to the tossers that dont like it

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I very reluctantly agree with you, mainly because these people are putting the lives of innocent people at risk, that much is clear, and they are clogging up healthcare systems where nurses and doctors are putting their lives at risk by treating them.
If they recover I would have them for attempted manslaughter.

 

[Weststander]

I’d like to reconfirm I don’t agree with it, I get why workers are wanting to - they have no money coming in which is why I think calling some idiots (not that you have)is unfair.

The USA was always going to get bored of it, as soon as it was out of control it was done, they will open up.

My point (badly out) was if it turns out that they plateau still in a couple of weeks that will become interesting as it backs up Swedens approach.

The death toll is going to go up either way.

The results of the Sweden non-lockdown will be interesting. Driven by their chief epidemiologist, in good faith. I wonder if they'll see far fewer people (per capita) lose their businesses, everything they've worked for, or their minds, compared to Denmark, Norway and Finland?

Trump and Georgia don't seem to base their ending of lockdown on science, it seems more on a whim.

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

The results of the Sweden non-lockdown will be interesting. Driven by their chief epidemiologist, in good faith. I wonder if they'll see far fewer people (per capita) lose their businesses, everything they've worked for, or their minds, compared to Denmark, Norway and Finland?

Trump and Georgia don't seem to base their ending of lockdown on science, it seems more on a whim.

The Mayor of Amity Island springs to mind with the shark playing the part of the virus.

 

[The_Viper]

A good analogy I heard on the news last night (can't remember which US politician / scientist it was sorry) was that some states relaxing the lockdown was like having a peeing area in a swimming pool.

Georgia will basically be filling their corner of the pool with piss.

I heard two excellent ones yesterday.

It's like getting a batch of antibiotics and being told to take them for 10 days, but after 3 you feel great so throw the rest of them away.

Or, it's like jumping out of a plane, your parachute opening and guiding you to the ground, 1000 feet before touch down you take the parachute off because it's slowed you down pretty good.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

The results of the Sweden non-lockdown will be interesting. Driven by their chief epidemiologist, in good faith. I wonder if they'll see far fewer people (per capita) lose their businesses, everything they've worked for, or their minds, compared to Denmark, Norway and Finland?

Trump and Georgia don't seem to base their ending of lockdown on science, it seems more on a whim.

Saaremaa Island is fairly interesting as well.

Apparently 70 percent have had/got it out of an island of 31k ? Estonia have 43 deaths

I’m not defending trump/Georgia - but what happens when all those people not getting paid are out of a job?

 

[A1X]

I can't see it as the media wanting the plan to fail. Just reporting the idiocy.

It's always important to remember there is a difference between people saying "this will fail" and "I want this to fail". Sure a lot of people who might want something to fail also believe it will, but not everyone. It's the same as with Brexit over here, anyone who points out that something will go wrong is accused of wanting it to go wrong (and there are a plethora of other things before anyone jumps, that was just the obvious example).

 

[Weststander]

Saaremaa Island is fairly interesting as well.

Apparently 70 percent have had/got it out of an island of 31k ? Estonia have 43 deaths

I’m not defending trump/Georgia - but what happens when all those people not getting paid are out of a job?

You know from other threads that I agree with you, eventually, soon, a balance will need to be struck. To seek the absolute minimal deaths from covid19 over two or three years, at the cost of failed businesses, sectors, kids never meeting mates, and probably suicides, is too great a price imho. Just 5 weeks in I'm content to wait for easing of restrictions in May hopefully, with more to follow.

You have to remember that Trump is the shite-stirrer in chief, he thrives on divisions home and abroad. Does he truly care that individual New Yorkers are grieving in ever growing numbers, or is he a narcissist, largely interested in his wealth and election prospects? My money's on the latter.