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Gritt23

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Jul 7, 2003
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Apparently Trump could have sorted Brexit but no one listened to him! Absolute classic!

Ironically, BREXIT might have been one of the few things his particular brand of stubborn a-hole attitude may have worked ok. He would have just come out and refused to pay £39bn (or whatever it is) for a divorce bill, or actually done much negotiating. He'd have torn up the "deal" and walked away on a No Deal BREXIT until we got offered something that we thought was a good deal. We'd have been preparing for No Deal from day 1, with the EU being the ones scrambling around seeing what they can offer to avoid it. Arrogance, rather than subservient apologies and desperate attempts to force through teh same unpopular deal over and over again, may have been a better approach.
 




Bevendean Hillbilly

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Sep 4, 2006
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I was in Brest last week for the commemoration of over 1300 French sailors killed by us in 1940, at Mers-el-Kebir because they wouldn't surrender.

How long would it have been before Vichy allowed the Kriegsmarine access to that lot of state-of-the art naval power?

They were asked to sail out to join the Royal Navy, their allies, they refused.
 




Questions

Habitual User
Oct 18, 2006
25,513
Worthing
Amazing scenes this morning after Trump responds to the UK ambassadors assessment that the president is " inept, dysfunctional and radiating insecurity " by....being inept, dysfunctional and radiating insecurity!

Apparently Trump could have sorted Brexit but no one listened to him! Absolute classic!
If Sir Kim does leave we will have to install a Trump friendly ambassador to replace him. I mean we need them all the more now what with WTO. (Tee hee ) Imagine though the guff the new man will have to listen to. Oh it’s all quite funny if you can forget our children’s future.
 


Blue Valkyrie

Not seen such Bravery!
Sep 1, 2012
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If Sir Kim does leave we will have to install a Trump friendly ambassador to replace him. I mean we need them all the more now what with WTO. (Tee hee ) Imagine though the guff the new man will have to listen to. Oh it’s all quite funny if you can forget our children’s future.
The new man will have to give face to face assements of Trump - by a waterfall or suchlike to avoid bugging - and lie in his emails in case they are hacked or leaked.
 




WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
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Ironically, BREXIT might have been one of the few things his particular brand of stubborn a-hole attitude may have worked ok. He would have just come out and refused to pay £39bn (or whatever it is) for a divorce bill, or actually done much negotiating. He'd have torn up the "deal" and walked away on a No Deal BREXIT until we got offered something that we thought was a good deal. We'd have been preparing for No Deal from day 1, with the EU being the ones scrambling around seeing what they can offer to avoid it. Arrogance, rather than subservient apologies and desperate attempts to force through teh same unpopular deal over and over again, may have been a better approach.

I think it's probably time to finish that last drink and go to bed :wink:
 


Tom Bombadil

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Jul 14, 2003
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Ironically, BREXIT might have been one of the few things his particular brand of stubborn a-hole attitude may have worked ok. He would have just come out and refused to pay £39bn (or whatever it is) for a divorce bill, or actually done much negotiating. He'd have torn up the "deal" and walked away on a No Deal BREXIT until we got offered something that we thought was a good deal. We'd have been preparing for No Deal from day 1, with the EU being the ones scrambling around seeing what they can offer to avoid it. Arrogance, rather than subservient apologies and desperate attempts to force through teh same unpopular deal over and over again, may have been a better approach.

It's much more likely that he would have initially loudly declared unless the eu gave him everything there was no deal and then slunk back a few days later for a terrible deal which he would then claim was the best deal ever despite it being an obvious defeat.
 










Gritt23

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Meopham, Kent.
It's much more likely that he would have initially loudly declared unless the eu gave him everything there was no deal and then slunk back a few days later for a terrible deal which he would then claim was the best deal ever despite it being an obvious defeat.

Not so sure. When he doesn't get want he wants he seems to just bleat about it, moan, and his seriously lacking attention span moves on to something else. While the EU were wondering how on earth to deal with him, he'd be tweeting nonsense about "Crooked Hiliary".
 








Gritt23

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Jul 7, 2003
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Meopham, Kent.
I think it's probably time to finish that last drink and go to bed :wink:

LOL. Well, what we've done on BREXIT clearly hasn't worked has it. Don't mistake me for someone who has any time for the grotesque excuse of a man, just saying that BREXIT may have been the one aspect where his approach (rather than him personally) may have been more effective than the apologetic, invertebrates, we've had on the job.
 




Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
How long would it have been before Vichy allowed the Kriegsmarine access to that lot of state-of-the art naval power?

They were asked to sail out to join the Royal Navy, their allies, they refused.

I met a survivor, from the Bretagne, who said they were sailors, ours were sailors. It was the politicians.
Yes, the Vichy had told them they couldn't surrender, scuttle their ships, join us, or sail to America.

By destroying their ships, we also rendered the port unusable.
 


Bevendean Hillbilly

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Sep 4, 2006
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I met a survivor, from the Bretagne, who said they were sailors, ours were sailors. It was the politicians.
Yes, the Vichy had told them they couldn't surrender, scuttle their ships, join us, or sail to America.

By destroying their ships, we also rendered the port unusable.

In the 80s I worked on farms across the South of France. Because we were in rural, off trail and colloquial France with no tourists and little exposure to “modern” France we were privileged to sit in bars with the old French boys and listen to them talk about those times.

There were still guys who were in the Nazi Milice and others who were resistance men living in the same villages.

The subject of the British action in 1940 that cost the French Navy so dearly often came up as a sore subject but, broadly speaking, the view was that Vichy would eventually have allowed the Germans to access those capital ships had it remained unscathed. The attitudes of the locals to The Allies, especially the British, were the saviours of France and they were grateful that we returned their country to them with our blood and asked nothing in return.

They hated the Germans but mainly because the women collaborated with them too willingly.
 




Bold Seagull

strong and stable with me, or...
Mar 18, 2010
30,465
Hove
Donald Trump wants to be a dictator. It’s not enough just to laugh at him.
by Jonathan Freedland

Maybe we’re too busy laughing to see it. Perhaps it’s the jokes and memes that Donald Trump generates in abundance, the gift that keeps on giving, that blinds us to a chilling fact that we’d rather not face. Put simply, the leader of the world’s most powerful nation is behaving like an authoritarian dictator, one who threatens democracy in his own country and far beyond.

Here’s the latest example of how the comedy can distract. On Thursday Donald Trump marked the Fourth of July by praising the US military, invoking the heroism of an army that defeated the British in the 18th century in part because “it took over the airports”. Lol: behold, the ignoramus president. Cue more chuckles as Trump delivered that speech during a downpour, the Almighty himself apparently deciding to rain on Trump’s parade.

But all those giggles served to obscure the more pressing fact: that in a departure from all precedent, Trump had used Independence Day to stage a military display, in which M1A2 tanks and Bradley armoured vehicles rolled into Washington, while fighter jets and helicopters filled the sky. The generals, mindful of the need to separate military and political power, had long opposed this extravaganza and, tellingly, most of the joint chiefs contrived to stay away. They understood that such a pageant is the stuff of despots, not democrats.
 








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