Trump

[Dr Bandler]

Switching man to woman aptly describes their argument. When she and her daughter were threatened by large numbers of his supporters it was hardly jests. The price of allowing debate with the alt right.

Are you insinuating that Jordan Peterson is alt right? He has repeatedly said that he is not, and that he is not political at all. Rather, he is a clinical psychologist with a massive interest in human behaviour, both individuals and as groups, with conclusions drawn on evidence. He is also mightily clever, which is why a surly, aggressive inerviewer, whose points are based on ill-founded politically correct notions, will always come unstuck against him.

 

[Jesus Gul]

I gather President Trump was drawing attention to US companies being allowed to have a fair chance of bidding for NHS contracts once we are out of the Eurocabal.

it's already started - there's a Subway at Royal Sussex County Hospital

 

[Mo Gosfield]

Totally agree. I'm doubtful he even knows NOW what the NHS is. A lot of words come out of his mouth, but he doesn't actually SAY a lot. Ever.

He is in good company then with most of our politicians.
At least he tries to put the national interest first and work with American business people, as opposed to this country, where incentive is negligible and the only people that seem to matter are the tax dodging corporations/multi-nationals, bankers and the public sector. **** the real wealth creators, the 5m small and medium sized businesses, who are the real life blood of this country. Still, a lot of people on this thread wouldn't have a scooby doo about running a business, so this rant washes over their heads anyway. They are so wrapped up in their own micro importance and prejudice that they have only got to hear his name and they fall into paroxysms of bile and venom.

 

[Gwylan]

He is in good company then with most of our politicians.
At least he tries to put the national interest first and work with American business people, as opposed to this country, where incentive is negligible and the only people that seem to matter are the tax dodging corporations/multi-nationals, bankers and the public sector. **** the real wealth creators, the 5m small and medium sized businesses, who are the real life blood of this country.

There's someone who hasn't been paying attention to US politics. What you're suggesting are completely the opposite of Trump's policies. Businesses are in despair about his imposition of tariffs with fears that he'll plunge the US into a recession. Trump's main aim is to reduce immigration, he doesn't care how harmful that aim is to the American economy.

https://www.ft.com/content/89402d04-8666-11e9-a028-86cea8523dc2

 

[birthofanorange]

He is in good company then with most of our politicians.
At least he tries to put the national interest first and work with American business people, as opposed to this country, where incentive is negligible and the only people that seem to matter are the tax dodging corporations/multi-nationals, bankers and the public sector. **** the real wealth creators, the 5m small and medium sized businesses, who are the real life blood of this country. Still, a lot of people on this thread wouldn't have a scooby doo about running a business, so this rant washes over their heads anyway. They are so wrapped up in their own micro importance and prejudice that they have only got to hear his name and they fall into paroxysms of bile and venom.

Are you saying what I think you're saying, that Trump is 'good'?

 

[nicko31]

He is in good company then with most of our politicians.
At least he tries to put the national interest first and work with American business people, as opposed to this country, where incentive is negligible and the only people that seem to matter are the tax dodging corporations/multi-nationals, bankers and the public sector. **** the real wealth creators, the 5m small and medium sized businesses, who are the real life blood of this country. Still, a lot of people on this thread wouldn't have a scooby doo about running a business, so this rant washes over their heads anyway. They are so wrapped up in their own micro importance and prejudice that they have only got to hear his name and they fall into paroxysms of bile and venom.

Throw the nurses, teachers and ambulance drivers in with the bankers, there's a good a lad

As for Trump, he'll take the US economy where he took his businesses, from boom to bust. Just look at the debt pile he is collecting on his watch...

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

At least he tries to put the national interest first and work with American business people, .

Indeed.

Like all the Chapter 11 bankruptcies he occurred whereby he wiped millions owed to creditors and then simply started up the business again.

 

[vegster]

Very true, a hand full of Trump devotees.

But why the small anti Trump crowd compared to the last time? The BBC media and other media outlets were predicting 100,000’s taking over central London yesterday. In the end, a small fraction of that.

Protest fatigue? A loss of interest?

Quite probably both, protests don't seem to limit or change his inclinations or policies, he is a man simultaneously at peace with himself and with whatever he says or does yet equally lashing out if he feels things are not going his way. He can say with utmost clarity that when doing a trade deal " Everything is on the table including the NHS " and 6 hours later say that the NHS would not be on the table without a hint of embarrassment. His capacity to shock is diminishing as we are all used to his tirades and rants and stupidity.

 

[Weststander]

Just to clarify. Health insurance is mandatory but for many it is a government run scheme. You pay for it out of your salary and your employer pays some. It’s similar to NI. BUT, the amount we pay far outstrips what is put into the NHS by a long long way. And this is the crux. But we get the benefits of this. Hospitals, doctors and especially dentists are everywhere. Wait times are minimal and everyone I know is able to pick and choose when to have treatment. You get what you pay for. The NHS is clearly chronically underfunded and no manner of restructuring will bring it up to the level I experience here. In the main, you/someone, needs to pay more. It really is this simple.

The good thing about this health insurance payment is it’s ring fenced and transparent. You see how much goes into your healthcare each and every month.

Thank you.

We (the country) need to pay more.

 

[knocky1]

Are you insinuating that Jordan Peterson is alt right? He has repeatedly said that he is not, and that he is not political at all. Rather, he is a clinical psychologist with a massive interest in human behaviour, both individuals and as groups, with conclusions drawn on evidence. He is also mightily clever, which is why a surly, aggressive inerviewer, whose points are based on ill-founded politically correct notions, will always come unstuck against him.

 

[Weststander]

Quite probably both, protests don't seem to limit or change his inclinations or policies, he is a man simultaneously at peace with himself and with whatever he says or does yet equally lashing out if he feels things are not going his way. He can say with utmost clarity that when doing a trade deal " Everything is on the table including the NHS " and 6 hours later say that the NHS would not be on the table without a hint of embarrassment. His capacity to shock is diminishing as we are all used to his tirades and rants and stupidity.

Your last sentence, I thought the same of late. The world is acclimatised / punch drunk to his insults, immaturity, arrogance, narcissism, all of which distract from his far right agenda.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

He is in good company then with most of our politicians.
At least he tries to put the national interest first and work with American business people, as opposed to this country, where incentive is negligible and the only people that seem to matter are the tax dodging corporations/multi-nationals, bankers and the public sector. **** the real wealth creators, the 5m small and medium sized businesses, who are the real life blood of this country. Still, a lot of people on this thread wouldn't have a scooby doo about running a business, so this rant washes over their heads anyway. They are so wrapped up in their own micro importance and prejudice that they have only got to hear his name and they fall into paroxysms of bile and venom.

The only thing he puts first is himself. The tax breaks he introduced didn't help small to medium-sized businesses – it was the big players (like Trump's own business) who are the real beneficiaries.

As well as that, he obsesses about things that can't/won't happen, for whatever reason, that have offended him personally. On his campaign trail, he was going to lock Hillary Clinton up (hasn't happened); repeal and replace 'Obamacare' (had a REALLY good go at it, but ultimately fell WELL short of that) and build a wall all along the southern border (hmmm, get back to you about that one). He bangs on about the state of the economy and the markets being at "record highs" when their not. And that isn't really a true measure of people's quality of life going up – certainly not the markets. They really only benefit the big business, which leads us back to, you've guessed it, Trumpo!

Still, at least he revitalising the coal industry at just the right time.

Oh...

 

[Weststander]

The only thing he puts first is himself. The tax breaks he introduced didn't help small to medium-sized businesses – it was the big players (like Trump's own business) who are the real beneficiaries.

As well as that, he obsesses about things that can't/won't happen, for whatever reason, that have offended him personally. On his campaign trail, he was going to lock Hillary Clinton up (hasn't happened); repeal and replace 'Obamacare' (had a REALLY good go at it, but ultimately fell WELL short of that) and build a wall all along the southern border (hmmm, get back to you about that one). He bangs on about the state of the economy and the markets being at "record highs" when their not. And that isn't really a true measure of people's quality of life going up – certainly not the markets. They really only benefit the big business, which leads us back to, you've guessed it, Trumpo!

Still, at least he revitalising the coal industry at just the right time.

Oh...

Great post.

To top it all, Trump doesn’t care one jot about pollution, man enhanced climate change, protecting nature, the state of the planet for future generations. It’s not just him ... Pence and all the other money obsessed men and women on the right of the Republican Party, deem the environment an awkward obstacle to be swept aside. Evil.

 

[Leekbrookgull]

Trade Talks,Trump and the Nhs.

Even as i like to think as a soft Conservative/Liberal having never voted Labour,yet a Trade Union member. Forget what May/Trump say any deal with the USA 'It's on the Table' make no mistake.

 

[clapham_gull]

And if anyone doesn't believe what an utter ****wit this man is, he's just compared the NI border issue with his Mexico wall live on television.

Had to be reminded WE DON'T WANT A WALL.

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[nicko31]

Trump on tour in Ireland...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1136306789077721095

CLASS

 

[abc]

Just to clarify. Health insurance is mandatory but for many it is a government run scheme. You pay for it out of your salary and your employer pays some. It’s similar to NI. BUT, the amount we pay far outstrips what is put into the NHS by a long long way. And this is the crux. But we get the benefits of this. Hospitals, doctors and especially dentists are everywhere. Wait times are minimal and everyone I know is able to pick and choose when to have treatment. You get what you pay for. The NHS is clearly chronically underfunded and no manner of restructuring will bring it up to the level I experience here. In the main, you/someone, needs to pay more. It really is this simple.

The good thing about this health insurance payment is it’s ring fenced and transparent. You see how much goes into your healthcare each and every month.

So with your knowledge of both systems, which would you advise (should you have the power!) the UK to adopt?

I think the NHS at delivery is amazing but have also reached the conclusion we will never be able to fund it to the level most people would like unless we, some way or other, pay in more whether via tax or other mechanism (and that it stops becoming a political football). The question is how?

 

[Weststander]

So with your knowledge of both systems, which would you advise (should you have the power!) the UK to adopt?

I think the NHS at delivery is amazing but have also reached the conclusion we will never be able to fund it to the level most people would like unless we, some way or other, pay in more whether via tax or other mechanism (and that it stops becoming a political football). The question is how?

It will stay as the NHS, without mandatory private insurance.

The moment any major party suggests adopting the German model explained by @HT, they’d be lambasted as trying to break up the NHS.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Anyone on here that still defends Trump about anything whatsoever after that performance in the Ireland presser doesn’t deserve to have an opinion of anything again ever.


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[birthofanorange]

Anyone on here that still defends Trump about anything whatsoever after that performance in the Ireland presser doesn’t deserve to have an opinion of anything again ever.


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Don't hold your breath....