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Seagull58

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There are more and more Republicans each day who want to move on without Trump. The basic reason is because he is a loser. He lost several elections now for the Republicans. In the end the true Democratic ideals of the Republican party will reemerge, I believe.

Joe McCarthy, the Wisconsin Senator who held hearings against "communists" eventually went too far. Trump is much more slowly heading in that direction. Trump says the "Lamestream" media is reporting his numbers incorrectly but that is not true. His numbers of people gathering for his rallies are becoming a bit smaller each time. Because his message hasn't changed.

That is what you hope but it's probably more likely that they will take control of the senate in the midterms, steal the 2024 election through gerrymandering, voter suppression, faking the results or by force, if that is the only option. They have already stacked the Supreme Court so, once they remove the filibuster they will be set to remain in power as the "Reich of 1000 years" merged with Gilead for decades, if not centuries.
 
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Albion my Albion

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That is what you hope but it's probably more likely that they will take control of the senate in the midterms, steal the 2024 election through gerrymandering, voter suppression, faking the results or by force, if that is the only option. They have already stacked the Supreme Court so, once they remove the filibuster they will be set to remain in power as the "Reich of 1000 years" merged with Gilead for decades if not centuries.

I have more faith in the Republican non-Trumpists to have a moral backbone and realize you don't have the democracy started in 1789? anymore and that is not healthy for the US or the world. Those Republicans are struggling mightily. Look up Adam Kinzinger of Illinois and see what he has gone through to stand up to Trump. Many of his own relatives/immediate family have hurled ugly, ugly remarks at him.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ada...AcAB4AIABXogBgAWSAQE4mAEAoAEB&sclient=gws-wiz
 


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If the Republicans and their "Democrat" plants Machin and Sinema are heavily beaten in November, Trumpism will have died a death.

But I think that scenario is incredibly unlikely at the moment and instead, American will carry on in the grip of its civil war until 2024 at least with the next presidential election.
 


Seagull58

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I have more faith in the Republican non-Trumpists to have a moral backbone and realize you don't have the democracy started in 1789? anymore and that is not healthy for the US or the world. Those Republicans are struggling mightily. Look up Adam Kinzinger of Illinois and see what he has gone through to stand up to Trump. Many of his own relatives/immediate family have hurled ugly, ugly remarks at him.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ada...AcAB4AIABXogBgAWSAQE4mAEAoAEB&sclient=gws-wiz

I keep a close eye on it so I'm familiar with Kinzinger, Liz Cheney etc. From what I see, the best, maybe the only, way to stop the next Coup is for Garland to lay seditious conspiracy charges against the Trumps, Gosar, Gohmert,, MTG, Bobo, Cawthorn, Gaetz, plus the enablers outside Congress e.g. Guiliani, the Kraken, Flynn etc. Then you become reliant on the SCOTUS to stand up for the constitution and not Trumpism.
 


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That is what you hope but it's probably more likely that they will take control of the senate in the midterms, steal the 2024 election through gerrymandering, voter suppression, faking the results or by force, if that is the only option. They have already stacked the Supreme Court so, once they remove the filibuster they will be set to remain in power as the "Reich of 1000 years" merged with Gilead for decades, if not centuries.
I was thinking Gilead myself lots of guns and women just as baby machines would be a Republican dream.
 




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Who Will Win America: The Cynics or The Believers?

“Nobody cares about what’s happening to the Uighurs, okay?” cryptobillionaire, NBA team owner, and former Facebook executive, Chamath Palihapitiya said this weekend in an interview with The All-In Podcast. “You bring it up because you really care, and I think that’s nice that you care. The rest of us don’t care. I’m telling you a very hard, ugly truth. Of all the things that I care about, yes, it is below my line.”

It’s a chilling statement, casually thrown off, by one of America’s richest titans: We just don’t care about the genocide occurring in China. And it represents a newly prominent voice in our political discourse: The American Cynic.

Last week, Rep. Warren Davis, Republican Congressman from Ohio’s Eighth District repeatedly likened vaccine passports to efforts by the Nazis to dehumanize and degrade Jews before murdering them. And Democratic gubernatorial candidate Nikki Fried said to NPR on Friday, “I’m sorry, I’m a student of history too. I saw the rise of Hitler.” “Are you comparing [Governor Ron] DeSantis to Hitler?” her interviewer asked. “In a lot of ways, yes,” she said.

Rep. Davis later apologized for the offense he caused to Jews by trivializing the Holocaust. But Right-wing comparisons of vaccine passports to Nuremburg laws, like the Left’s hysterical comparisons of detention centers on the border to concentration camps, or likening the country’s most popular Republican governor to Hitler—do something beyond whitewashing Nazi atrocities. They fraudulently vilify America, too. At their cynical heart lives the idea we are but an executive order away from totalitarianism—that there is no fundamental difference between America with its 233-year old constitutional order and a genocidal dictatorship led by an unaccountable Fuhrer.

On this MLK Day of 2022, the new fault line in American politics runs not between Liberals and Conservatives, who find themselves on the same side more often than in many years. It’s between Believers and Cynics: Those who possess deep faith in bedrock American principles—free speech, due process, equal protection, religious liberty—and the Cynics, who regard those liberties as ornamental, insufficient to stop the necrosis of a society in an advanced state of decay. Cynics on the Left and Right disagree about whether America was ever great—but they agree that it’s far from great now—little better than the worst despotisms on earth, and certainly in no position to oppose them.

Cynics on the Left and Right disagree about whether America was ever great—but they agree that it’s far from great now.

America has always had her Cynics, but in the last decade, they have risen to power through Big Tech, which glorifies all disruption, and President Donald Trump, who often evinced as much “move fast and break things” contempt for our institutions as Silicon Valley titans. Politicians have always operated cynically, but the trendy “America is over” nihilism on Left and Right surpasses the occasional instrumental hyperbole exercised in order to pass a bill or win an election. On the Left, the Cynics accuse vast swaths of America of white supremacy or treason. They make no effort to forge common ground because you don’t invite Lucifer to lunch.

Big Tech Cynics stash their money in the neo-currencies of the blockchain, breezily submit to China’s demands for censorship, and yawn at the notion that they are encouraging an epidemic of depression and self-harm among our kids. Cynics of the Right create fantasy islands in Red States and flirt with national divorce as if there were something cute about secession. They care nothing about our democratic allies internationally. If China terrorizes Taiwan, Russia invades Ukraine, or Gaza showers Israel with rockets, they shrug. The notion that America ought to stand up for other democracies strikes them as quaint or naïve, if not part of some corrupt 2002-era neocon fantasy.

The Cynics lack any real commitment to America’s bedrock values or the American political system, which they are always clamoring to overhaul. Left-wing Cynics claim to care about LGBTQ rights, but never express a peep of disapproval over the execution of gays in the Islamic world. They can barely muster a note of concern about suppression for speech whenever the other team’s speech is suppressed.

In fact, Cynics have only the shallowest attachment to the American Creed at all. They find themselves unmoved by the fact that Ruth Bader Ginsburg, perhaps the greatest progressive legal icon of her generation, and Antonin Scalia, arguably the greatest conservative icon of his—were good friends. If anything, it tarnishes RBG’s legacy in their minds. They care only for their narrow slice of a political party and behave as if the raison d'être of America is to advance their political Tribe—and not the other way around.

As for the Believers—Liberals and Conservatives—they disagree fervidly among themselves about how hard we ought to clamp down on guns, abortions, illegal immigration, and carbon emissions. Whether the death penalty or the death tax is more morally offensive. Whether Scalia or RBG had the better idea of what a justice of the Supreme Court ought do with her pen. These are profound differences, not to be trivialized. But Believers agree that our bedrock constitutional liberties embody American greatness—and that they are the ticket to saving an America that remains, as Lincoln put it, “the last best hope of earth.”

Believers agree that our bedrock constitutional liberties embody American greatness—and that they are the ticket to saving an America that remains, as Lincoln put it, “the last best hope of earth.”
This new fault line in American politics is the reason so many Liberals—alienated by the Cynical Left’s war on civil liberties—describe themselves as “politically homeless.” If it weren’t for a few wedge issues like abortion—exploited and catastrophized by both sides to increase division—Liberals and Conservatives would be in danger of finding too much common cause. Certainly, they’d be companionably drawn together by strong opposition to racial essentialism, Wokeism in schools, Gender Ideology, and locking down the young. Believers strongly tend towards keeping women’s sports for women, keeping police departments funded, and opposing the myriad ways Big Tech seduces and then brutalizes young minds.

Liberals and Conservatives face different immediate threats. Liberals’ greatest threat is the Woke, who have taken over their institutions and corrupted their Party. The Woke threaten conservatives too, but it is once-liberal institutions they now commandeer—the ACLU, the New York Times, Yale University—institutions conservatives long ago wrote off. The Woke political agenda is broadly unpopular, and – if it gains unchecked control of the Democratic Party – Liberal electoral hopes will collapse. Some Conservatives cheer when Liberal institutions are ruined by the Woke, which is disastrously short-sighted.

Conservatives’ biggest threat is Big Tech, which often censors political speech on behalf of Liberal political agendas. It kicks Republicans and heterodox voices off of its platforms for reasons alternatively vague and indefensible. Liberals’ views are generally permitted to live on social media, unmolested. Some Liberals cheer when Conservatives are censored by these platforms, which is disastrously short-sighted.

Some Conservatives cheer when Liberal institutions are ruined by the Woke, which is disastrously short-sighted. Some Liberals cheer when Conservatives are censored by Big Tech, which is disastrously short-sighted.
But between Liberals and Conservatives today there is broad agreement: that America is fundamentally good. Imperfect, obviously. Currently imperiled, for certain. But full, coast-to-coast, with optimistic, generous, and industrious people. Our Constitution represents an astonishing achievement, the key to helping us out of whatever mess we’re in. We are all still Americans, after all.

Believer doesn’t mean milquetoast, although Believers are too often overmatched by the venom of the Cynics. As James Baldwin once observed, “The most dangerous creation of any society is the man who has nothing to lose.”

But Martin Luther King, Jr., Ronald Reagan, and Lyndon Johnson were all Believers—they played to win and won. Amy Klobuchar and Tom Cotton, Elena Kagan and Sam Alito proceed this way too: the politicians among them may attack the other side relentlessly (this is part of the job, after all). But listen to their arguments: they believe in the First Amendment, Due Process, and Equal Protection. They understand that American ideals require defense; they represent not only the best hope for America—but the best hope for humanity. They think the American people are something special. They hold the righteousness of the Declaration’s promise deep in their bones.

It’s no secret to anyone that America has seen better days or that the national mood is low. The question is whether to kick her while she’s down, to give up on her entirely—and then, to replace her with what, exactly?

As for the Cynics, The Believers must fend them off with everything we’ve got. “Do not succumb to the disease of cynicism for it will justify all of your worst instincts,” Dr. King once warned. Believe him.
 


Seagull58

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Who Will Win America: The Cynics or The Believers?

“Nobody cares about what’s happening to the Uighurs, okay?” cryptobillionaire, NBA team owner, and former Facebook executive, Chamath Palihapitiya said this weekend in an interview with The All-In Podcast. “You bring it up because you really care, and I think that’s nice that you care. The rest of us don’t care. I’m telling you a very hard, ugly truth. Of all the things that I care about, yes, it is below my line.”

It’s a chilling statement, casually thrown off, by one of America’s richest titans: We just don’t care about the genocide occurring in China. And it represents a newly prominent voice in our political discourse: The American Cynic.

Last week, Rep. Warren Davis, Republican Congressman from Ohio’s Eighth District repeatedly likened vaccine passports to efforts by the Nazis to dehumanize and degrade Jews before murdering them. And Democratic gubernatorial candidate Nikki Fried said to NPR on Friday, “I’m sorry, I’m a student of history too. I saw the rise of Hitler.” “Are you comparing [Governor Ron] DeSantis to Hitler?” her interviewer asked. “In a lot of ways, yes,” she said.

Rep. Davis later apologized for the offense he caused to Jews by trivializing the Holocaust. But Right-wing comparisons of vaccine passports to Nuremburg laws, like the Left’s hysterical comparisons of detention centers on the border to concentration camps, or likening the country’s most popular Republican governor to Hitler—do something beyond whitewashing Nazi atrocities. They fraudulently vilify America, too. At their cynical heart lives the idea we are but an executive order away from totalitarianism—that there is no fundamental difference between America with its 233-year old constitutional order and a genocidal dictatorship led by an unaccountable Fuhrer.

On this MLK Day of 2022, the new fault line in American politics runs not between Liberals and Conservatives, who find themselves on the same side more often than in many years. It’s between Believers and Cynics: Those who possess deep faith in bedrock American principles—free speech, due process, equal protection, religious liberty—and the Cynics, who regard those liberties as ornamental, insufficient to stop the necrosis of a society in an advanced state of decay. Cynics on the Left and Right disagree about whether America was ever great—but they agree that it’s far from great now—little better than the worst despotisms on earth, and certainly in no position to oppose them.

Cynics on the Left and Right disagree about whether America was ever great—but they agree that it’s far from great now.

America has always had her Cynics, but in the last decade, they have risen to power through Big Tech, which glorifies all disruption, and President Donald Trump, who often evinced as much “move fast and break things” contempt for our institutions as Silicon Valley titans. Politicians have always operated cynically, but the trendy “America is over” nihilism on Left and Right surpasses the occasional instrumental hyperbole exercised in order to pass a bill or win an election. On the Left, the Cynics accuse vast swaths of America of white supremacy or treason. They make no effort to forge common ground because you don’t invite Lucifer to lunch.

Big Tech Cynics stash their money in the neo-currencies of the blockchain, breezily submit to China’s demands for censorship, and yawn at the notion that they are encouraging an epidemic of depression and self-harm among our kids. Cynics of the Right create fantasy islands in Red States and flirt with national divorce as if there were something cute about secession. They care nothing about our democratic allies internationally. If China terrorizes Taiwan, Russia invades Ukraine, or Gaza showers Israel with rockets, they shrug. The notion that America ought to stand up for other democracies strikes them as quaint or naïve, if not part of some corrupt 2002-era neocon fantasy.

The Cynics lack any real commitment to America’s bedrock values or the American political system, which they are always clamoring to overhaul. Left-wing Cynics claim to care about LGBTQ rights, but never express a peep of disapproval over the execution of gays in the Islamic world. They can barely muster a note of concern about suppression for speech whenever the other team’s speech is suppressed.

In fact, Cynics have only the shallowest attachment to the American Creed at all. They find themselves unmoved by the fact that Ruth Bader Ginsburg, perhaps the greatest progressive legal icon of her generation, and Antonin Scalia, arguably the greatest conservative icon of his—were good friends. If anything, it tarnishes RBG’s legacy in their minds. They care only for their narrow slice of a political party and behave as if the raison d'être of America is to advance their political Tribe—and not the other way around.

As for the Believers—Liberals and Conservatives—they disagree fervidly among themselves about how hard we ought to clamp down on guns, abortions, illegal immigration, and carbon emissions. Whether the death penalty or the death tax is more morally offensive. Whether Scalia or RBG had the better idea of what a justice of the Supreme Court ought do with her pen. These are profound differences, not to be trivialized. But Believers agree that our bedrock constitutional liberties embody American greatness—and that they are the ticket to saving an America that remains, as Lincoln put it, “the last best hope of earth.”

Believers agree that our bedrock constitutional liberties embody American greatness—and that they are the ticket to saving an America that remains, as Lincoln put it, “the last best hope of earth.”
This new fault line in American politics is the reason so many Liberals—alienated by the Cynical Left’s war on civil liberties—describe themselves as “politically homeless.” If it weren’t for a few wedge issues like abortion—exploited and catastrophized by both sides to increase division—Liberals and Conservatives would be in danger of finding too much common cause. Certainly, they’d be companionably drawn together by strong opposition to racial essentialism, Wokeism in schools, Gender Ideology, and locking down the young. Believers strongly tend towards keeping women’s sports for women, keeping police departments funded, and opposing the myriad ways Big Tech seduces and then brutalizes young minds.

Liberals and Conservatives face different immediate threats. Liberals’ greatest threat is the Woke, who have taken over their institutions and corrupted their Party. The Woke threaten conservatives too, but it is once-liberal institutions they now commandeer—the ACLU, the New York Times, Yale University—institutions conservatives long ago wrote off. The Woke political agenda is broadly unpopular, and – if it gains unchecked control of the Democratic Party – Liberal electoral hopes will collapse. Some Conservatives cheer when Liberal institutions are ruined by the Woke, which is disastrously short-sighted.

Conservatives’ biggest threat is Big Tech, which often censors political speech on behalf of Liberal political agendas. It kicks Republicans and heterodox voices off of its platforms for reasons alternatively vague and indefensible. Liberals’ views are generally permitted to live on social media, unmolested. Some Liberals cheer when Conservatives are censored by these platforms, which is disastrously short-sighted.

Some Conservatives cheer when Liberal institutions are ruined by the Woke, which is disastrously short-sighted. Some Liberals cheer when Conservatives are censored by Big Tech, which is disastrously short-sighted.
But between Liberals and Conservatives today there is broad agreement: that America is fundamentally good. Imperfect, obviously. Currently imperiled, for certain. But full, coast-to-coast, with optimistic, generous, and industrious people. Our Constitution represents an astonishing achievement, the key to helping us out of whatever mess we’re in. We are all still Americans, after all.

Believer doesn’t mean milquetoast, although Believers are too often overmatched by the venom of the Cynics. As James Baldwin once observed, “The most dangerous creation of any society is the man who has nothing to lose.”

But Martin Luther King, Jr., Ronald Reagan, and Lyndon Johnson were all Believers—they played to win and won. Amy Klobuchar and Tom Cotton, Elena Kagan and Sam Alito proceed this way too: the politicians among them may attack the other side relentlessly (this is part of the job, after all). But listen to their arguments: they believe in the First Amendment, Due Process, and Equal Protection. They understand that American ideals require defense; they represent not only the best hope for America—but the best hope for humanity. They think the American people are something special. They hold the righteousness of the Declaration’s promise deep in their bones.

It’s no secret to anyone that America has seen better days or that the national mood is low. The question is whether to kick her while she’s down, to give up on her entirely—and then, to replace her with what, exactly?

As for the Cynics, The Believers must fend them off with everything we’ve got. “Do not succumb to the disease of cynicism for it will justify all of your worst instincts,” Dr. King once warned. Believe him.

That piece ignores the fact that there was an attempted coup d'Etat on 6th January 2021, which may well have succeeded if Pence had allowed his Secret Service security to drive him away from The Capitol.
 


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Dozens of Former Trump Officials Held a Call to Discuss Ways to Stop Him in 2024: Report
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CNN’s Jake Tapper reports that the collective of Trump staffers held a conference call a week ago to talk about how to counteract their former boss’ efforts to “erode the democratic process.” Some of the most notable participants were former White House chief of staff John Kelly, former DHS cybersecurity chief Chris Krebs, and former White House communications directors Alyssa Farah Griffin and Anthony Scaramucci. Former White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham was not on the call because she was sick with Covid, but she told Tapper that she was still engaged with the group as well.

“We all agreed passionately that letters and statements don’t mean anything,” said Taylor. “The two operative words are ‘electoral effects.’ How can we have tangible electoral effects against the extremist candidates that have been endorsed by Trump?”
 






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Republicans in 7 states submitted documents falsely certifying the election for Trump. Most State Attorneys General are investigating if it constitutes fraud.


Republicans in 7 states submitted documents falsely certifying the election for Trump. Most State Attorneys General are investigating if it constitutes fraud.

Republican supporters of Trump in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin submitted documents to Congress falsely claiming Trump won the states after the majority of votes actually went to Joe Biden, according to documents obtained by the watchdog group American Oversight in March 2021.

Insider reached out to Attorneys General in each of the states seeking comment on the findings. In Nevada, Attorney General Aaron Ford said his office can't "confirm or deny the existence of an investigation," but said the report is on "our radar, and we take seriously any efforts to rob Nevadans of their votes."

New Mexico Attorney General Hector Balderas told Insider the incident is being reviewed.

In a statement to Insider, Pennsylvania Attorney General Joshua Shapiro's office said while the "rhetoric and policy were intentionally misleading and purposefully damaging to our democracy" after review, they don't "believe the incident meets the legal standards for forgery."

Attorneys General in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, and Wisconsin did not respond to Insider's request for comment.

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported that Assistant District Attorney Matthew Westphal said he'd consulted Attorney General Josh Kaul over whether or not to investigate the 10 Republicans who illegitimately certified the vote for Trump.

Westphal said Kaul's office or federal prosecutors should handle an investigation. The Journal reported that Kaul previously said the matter should be investigated at the federal level.

In Michigan, Attorney General Dana Nessel told MSNBC: "Under state law, I think clearly you have forgery of a public record, which is a 14-year offense, and election law forgery, which is a five-year offense."
 
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Republicans in 7 states submitted documents falsely certifying the election for Trump. Most State Attorneys General are investigating if it constitutes fraud.


Republicans in 7 states submitted documents falsely certifying the election for Trump. Most State Attorneys General are investigating if it constitutes fraud.

Republican supporters of Trump in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin submitted documents to Congress falsely claiming Trump won the states after the majority of votes actually went to Joe Biden, according to documents obtained by the watchdog group American Oversight in March 2021.

Insider reached out to Attorneys General in each of the states seeking comment on the findings. In Nevada, Attorney General Aaron Ford said his office can't "confirm or deny the existence of an investigation," but said the report is on "our radar, and we take seriously any efforts to rob Nevadans of their votes."

New Mexico Attorney General Hector Balderas told Insider the incident is being reviewed.

In a statement to Insider, Pennsylvania Attorney General Joshua Shapiro's office said while the "rhetoric and policy were intentionally misleading and purposefully damaging to our democracy" after review, they don't "believe the incident meets the legal standards for forgery."

Attorneys General in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, and Wisconsin did not respond to Insider's request for comment.

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported that Assistant District Attorney Matthew Westphal said he'd consulted Attorney General Josh Kaul over whether or not to investigate the 10 Republicans who illegitimately certified the vote for Trump.

Westphal said Kaul's office or federal prosecutors should handle an investigation. The Journal reported that Kaul previously said the matter should be investigated at the federal level.

In Michigan, Attorney General Dana Nessel told MSNBC: "Under state law, I think clearly you have forgery of a public record, which is a 14-year offense, and election law forgery, which is a five-year offense."


and then several of these potentially fraudulent individuals were used as warm up acts to fire up the attendees at Trumps latest fund-raising event, before Trump came on and rambled on and spouted the same old proven-to-be-wrong lies - lies that have repeatedly been debunked by the results of the audits that he himself instigated via the GOP. Go figure! :shrug:
 


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Oh dear.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/22/donald-trump-legal-perils

Looks promising, though really feel its a race against time. If GOP win the mid terms as predicted, they will stall/end investigations into the capital riots, and should Trump hold out from criminal prosecutions until 2024, run again and Lord forbid, win. He wont make the same mistakes again in turning America into a dictatorship/cult of personality.
 




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Georgia grand jury to probe Donald Trump's attempts to "find votes."


Fulton County district attorney, Fani Willis, will seat a special grand jury for her investigation of Donald Trump's attempts to find more votes for the loser of the Presidential election in Georgia.

The heat is definitely turning up on the ex-President. He may ignore everything which is typical of Trump but he will ultimately pay a terrible price in the end.
 


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Georgia grand jury to probe Donald Trump's attempts to "find votes."


Fulton County district attorney, Fani Willis, will seat a special grand jury for her investigation of Donald Trump's attempts to find more votes for the loser of the Presidential election in Georgia.

The heat is definitely turning up on the ex-President. He may ignore everything which is typical of Trump but he will ultimately pay a terrible price in the end.



Fingers crossed!
 


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US prosecutors investigate Republicans who sent fake Trump electors to Congress


Federal prosecutors have launched an investigation into the attempt by Republicans in seven presidential battleground states won by Joe Biden in 2020 to subvert the election result by sending bogus slates of Donald Trump electors to Congress.

The ploy was one of the central tactics used by Trump loyalists as part of the “big lie” that he had defeated his Democratic challenger. The fake slates of electors were forwarded to congressional leaders, who then came under pressure to delay certification of Biden’s victory on 6 January 2021, the day of the Capitol insurrection.

In an interview on CNN, the deputy attorney general, Lisa Monaco, revealed that the justice department has begun an investigation into what she called the “fraudulent elector certifications”. She said the department had received referrals on the matter and “our prosecutors are looking at those”.

 






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Donald Trump's having an awful week — and it's only Wednesday


This NYT piece by Shane Goldmacher headlined "Trump's Words, and Deeds, Reveal Depths of His Drive to Retain Power" says it all.

the Times' Peter Baker tweeted on Tuesday, "Even for Trump it's quite a week -- first dangling pardons for capitol attackers, then admitting his goal was to have 'overturned the election' and now calling on the House to investigate Pence for not throwing out votes of multiple states so a president who lost could keep power." Then the Times' Maggie Haberman, appearing on CNN on Tuesday night, said, "it's been a breathtaking couple of days."
 


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George W. Bush Gives Maximum Donations to Trump’s GOP Foes Liz Cheney and Lisa Murkowski


The latest Federal Election Commission disclosures show Bush gave Cheney $5,800 on October 28, 2021, for both the general and primary elections – the maximum allowed individual donation. Cheney raked in $1.9 million in the last quarter of 2021, a personal record, which left her campaign account with more than $4.7 million cash on hand.

Politico reported Monday that Bush had previously donated to Cheney in 2016, but had made no other contributions in 2021 before October.

On December 31, 2021, Bush gave Murkowski $2,900 for her primary against Trump-backed Kelly Tshibaka, a former commissioner of the Alaska Department of Administration. $2,900 is the maximum allowed individual donation for a primary candidate.
 


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