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[nicko31]

Someone from the Biden camp confirmed it would be ‘Europe First’ in line with Obama’s promises if Biden wins due to Brexit.

Trump might be the worse option for humanity and the world but at least he’d give us the time of day. I don’t think the Democratics will prioritise a trade deal with us so we’re probably looking at a deal being completed when the next republican administration gets elected, be that Trump or his replacement in 4 years time.

To be honest I'm more concerned what is good for planet earth and Trump is bad news for the climate

Whether its Biden or Trump the US will want everything their own way when it comes to a trade deal. And is it really that important, we have a large trade surplus as things stand

The Americans know what they want from a trade deal, but whats is in it for us?

 

[nicko31]

The Supreme Court ruled yesterday that mailed in ballots must be received by November 3 in Wisconsin , a previous ruling had given 6 days beyond the 3rd. As Wisconsin is one of the crucial swing states this could be significant

Is that not unreasonable or is the US mail system that screwed?

 

[Badger Boy]

I'm not really sure what you are talking about? I don't really want to go into details about the contents of the laptop on here, but last time I checked the worst things the Trump children can be accused of is getting cushy jobs working for their dad. There is no equivalence, unless I missed something.

You don't know anything about Ivanka Trump's "business" dealings? Brilliant - that's a magnificently blind eye, well done.

 

[nicko31]

You don't know anything about Ivanka Trump's "business" dealings? Brilliant - that's a magnificently blind eye, well done.

She a handy tax avoidance vehicle

 

[Gwylan]

No but evidence of his misdeeds (assuming they don't directly implicate someone who is running for President, which is tbd) could still be used/have been used, to "influence" the VP/Pres. It's still compromising.

Biden has released a set of his tax returns going back several years - there is no evidence of any payment from untoward sources on them. It's also worth remembering that Trump still hasn't released any of his returns - the only president or candidate not to do so in the last 50 years.

I also think it's weird how the tech companies/media are treating it. Do you think if this kind of thing happened involving a Trump the media wouldn't report it?.

Er... it has been reported. How do you think we're able to comment on it?

 

[dingodan]

You don't know anything about Ivanka Trump's "business" dealings? Brilliant - that's a magnificently blind eye, well done.

If you are talking about the trademarks for her business in China, it's not clearly questionable, but fair enough if you think it is. A case could be made against it for sure. By comparison though, if that bothers you then this recent stuff must absolutely floor you?

 

[dingodan]

Biden has released a set of his tax returns going back several years - there is no evidence of any payment from untoward sources on them. It's also worth remembering that Trump still hasn't released any of his returns - the only president or candidate not to do so in the last 50 years.



Er... it has been reported. How do you think we're able to comment on it?

I haven't seen anything about it in the mainstream press.

But we might be talking at cross purposes. Judging by some of the reactions on here, I'm guessing you haven't heard the full story (yet).

I think I'll leave it at that, I don't fancy getting into the details on here. I guess we will have to see whether the press actually take up the story. I could be wrong but I can't imagine they can hold out forever.

 

[Badger Boy]

If you are talking about the trademarks for her business in China, it's not clearly questionable, but fair enough if you think it is. A case could be made against it for sure. By comparison though, if that bothers you then this recent stuff must absolutely floor you?

The propaganda stories fabricated against Biden's family, at the direction of Trump, absolutely do not interest me at all.

I can't wait for Biden's victory to be confirmed, then the inauguration and disappearance of Trump and Trumpism.

 

[dingodan]

The propaganda stories fabricated against Biden's family, at the direction of Trump, absolutely do not interest me at all.

I can't wait for Biden's victory to be confirmed, then the inauguration and disappearance of Trump and Trumpism.

Fair enough, but you might just be swapping one questionable character for another, far more experienced and washington savvy questionable character. Don't let your hatred of trump cloud your vision (or your ethics).

 

[nicko31]

Fair enough, but you might just be swapping one questionable character for another, far more experienced and washington savvy questionable character. Don't let your hatred of trump cloud your vision (or your ethics).

Are you suggesting Biden's ethics are no better than Trump?

 

[Badger Boy]

Fair enough, but you might just be swapping one questionable character for another, far more experienced and washington savvy questionable character. Don't let your hatred of trump cloud your vision (or your ethics).

I actually don't hate Trump, as a person. The persona he's been putting on publically isn't him as a bloke, in a way I think it's a shame he's felt the need to play a character as president. That is what history will remember. He knew what he needed to do in order to get elected, and he did it.

Anyway, I think it's hilarious anyone who supports Trump has the balls to use the word ethics in a conversation about the election. I wholly reject the suggestion that Joe Biden is less ethical than Donald Trump. I don't for a second believe the Biden family is less ethical than the Trump family and I don't for a moment believe that the Bidens are as self-centred as the Trumps. Not that the families are on the ticket, no matter how much the right wing media wants to make the Bidens (without mentioning the Trumps).

 

[Lyndhurst 14]

Is that not unreasonable or is the US mail system that screwed?

That's what I thought, it is the election day and they've had plenty of notice to post their votes. But it seems a trial court ruling had previously extended it by 6 days

 

[knocky1]

Is that not unreasonable or is the US mail system that screwed?

It can easily be screwed.......USPS Postmaster General and CEO Louis DeJoy has been a top donor to Trump and the Republican National Committee, and he was in charge of fundraising for the 2020 Republican National Convention.

 

[highflyer]

I don't really want to go into details about the contents of the laptop on here.

I am willing to bet you actually don't know anything about the 'contents of the laptop'. You've just been reading the internet again.

Please point me to one, reliable, unbiased, source of actual FACTS about this story which tells us what is on the laptop. Not rumours and conjecture. Because I have not found one so far.

All I have seen so far is a highly unlikely story, with two extremely dicreditable/discredited characters (Gulliani and Bannon) at the heart of it. And a load of QAnon conspiracy bollocks.

If there is more, from a reliable source (hint - Breitbart doesn't count) then point me to it and I'll take a look and make up my own mind.

 

[dingodan]

Are you suggesting Biden's ethics are no better than Trump?

Possibly worse.

It depends on what measures you are using.

If it's what a guys says, then Trump is a POS, and Biden is a likable guy (arguably). But if it's conduct which matters, then it looks to me like Biden has more trouble than Trump ever has. Trump has been on the wrong end of a lot of accusations, but it's been entirely hearsay and even then pretty tame. Biden appears to be caught in a far more well documented situation.

I actually don't hate Trump, as a person. The persona he's been putting on publically isn't him as a bloke, in a way I think it's a shame he's felt the need to play a character as president. That is what history will remember. He knew what he needed to do in order to get elected, and he did it.

Anyway, I think it's hilarious anyone who supports Trump has the balls to use the word ethics in a conversation about the election. I wholly reject the suggestion that Joe Biden is less ethical than Donald Trump. I don't for a second believe the Biden family is less ethical than the Trump family and I don't for a moment believe that the Bidens are as self-centred as the Trumps. Not that the families are on the ticket, no matter how much the right wing media wants to make the Bidens (without mentioning the Trumps).

You could be forgiven for not knowing this, partly because people these days pay more attention to style than substance, but the idea that Biden (and Clinton, and leading Dems in general) have a problem with corruption and abuses of power has been understood for a lot longer than Trump and his time in politics. (Not saying that Republicans have a clean bill of health either, it's across the board really).

 

[highflyer]

I actually don't hate Trump, as a person. The persona he's been putting on publically isn't him as a bloke, in a way I think it's a shame he's felt the need to play a character as president. That is what history will remember. He knew what he needed to do in order to get elected, and he did it.

Anyway, I think it's hilarious anyone who supports Trump has the balls to use the word ethics in a conversation about the election. I wholly reject the suggestion that Joe Biden is less ethical than Donald Trump. I don't for a second believe the Biden family is less ethical than the Trump family and I don't for a moment believe that the Bidens are as self-centred as the Trumps. Not that the families are on the ticket, no matter how much the right wing media wants to make the Bidens (without mentioning the Trumps).

If you want a sense of who Trump really is, this documentary from (I think) 2011 is a fantastic, and shocking, watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v0Y9Qcfd2M

I watched it before knowing who Donald Trump was and I cannot recommend it highly enough as an insight into the man and how he thinks.
He's a bully, a snob and an arrogant pig.

 

[highflyer]

Someone from the Biden camp confirmed it would be ‘Europe First’ in line with Obama’s promises if Biden wins due to Brexit.

Trump might be the worse option for humanity and the world but at least he’d give us the time of day. I don’t think the Democratics will prioritise a trade deal with us so we’re probably looking at a deal being completed when the next republican administration gets elected, be that Trump or his replacement in 4 years time.

On the other hand a Biden win may force Johnson into a rapid compromise deal with the EU, as he'll be under immense pressure from within his party to avoid a no-deal once it is clear he won't be getting a fast-tracked deal with the US. Which would be a good outcome I think.

 

[dingodan]

I am willing to bet you actually don't know anything about the 'contents of the laptop'. You've just been reading the internet again.

Please point me to one, reliable, unbiased, source of actual FACTS about this story which tells us what is on the laptop. Not rumours and conjecture. Because I have not found one so far.

All I have seen so far is a highly unlikely story, with two extremely dicreditable/discredited characters (Gulliani and Bannon) at the heart of it. And a load of QAnon conspiracy bollocks.

If there is more, from a reliable source (hint - Breitbart doesn't count) then point me to it and I'll take a look and make up my own mind.

Forgive me, but I'd rather not point you towards the contents of the laptop, it's mostly NSFW. But that material also serves to prove that the contents does belong to the person it's said to belong to, if you get what I mean.

As for giving you a "reputable source", the ones you would like aren't covering it. Maybe that makes the story not credible. Or maybe it makes those sources not reputable. That's up to you I guess. The Daily Mail and New York Post are covering it, but you might not like those publications.

 

[peterward]

No but evidence of his misdeeds (assuming they don't directly implicate someone who is running for President, which is tbd) could still be used/have been used, to "influence" the VP/Pres. It's still compromising.

I also think it's weird how the tech companies/media are treating it. Do you think if this kind of thing happened involving a Trump the media wouldn't report it? They would be jumping up and down for days, possibly weeks, high-fiving each other behind the scenes in the newsroom, and everybody knows it.

Sometimes your lack of intellect really does surprise me. yes Hunter Biden has questionable moral issues, he has slept with hookers and smoked crack (allegedly), that may be enough to turn him off to the Christian right, But there is absolutely zero proof of any business indiscretion, even more so that Joe Biden is involved.

Maybe you were right that Putin would say there was no indescretion, but also so did the totally independent (and non affiliated) Chief Prosecutor of Ukraine, the head of Ukraine's legal framework said Hunter Biden has committed no crimes at all during his time at Burisma, there was a fraud allegation against others, for dealings that happened 2 years before Biden got there.

The China deal, that this self avowed "Huge Trump Supporter" Tony Bobulinski is trying to claim that Joe Biden knew all about, for starters never got off the ground, Bobulinski was not involved in any deal, it was a proposal that never got off the ground and the company that he and Hunter were in, folded without that deal having taken place - again there is no proof whatsoever that Joe Biden was involved.

And on the other side, we have the Delaware computer shop guy, who has changed his story 3 times, says hes scared for his life and wasnt sure if the man who came in (allegedly) was Hunter Biden, this falls into the lap of Guiliani, who had been to Ukraine actively trying to find any dirt for cash on Biden, and in which he is known to be i cahootz with a known Russian agent which the CIA even warn the White house about.

Giuliani makes the claim without any proof their is underage girls on the laptop, but he refuses access of the laptop to those press who want to verify its contents, preferring instead to tell them what to print. Pro Trump, Murdoch owned New York Post run with it but there journos refuse to attach their names to it. Over 50 senior former and current intelligence officials state it has all the hallmarks of a russian disnformation operation - taking part hacked fact - Hunters businesses, partners, moral indiscretions and weaving into the story totally false documents.

Bobulinski had another meeting (trying to find the article again) with some other senior trump officials, including Steve Bannon and some ex FBI pro trump surrogate in Washington many months ago, to lay the foundations of how to formulate their hit job - where tey talk about another laptop to the alleged other 3 from Delaware - Bobulinski also has some Blackberry screenshots (that just happen to be on a Russian mobile network - MTS).

And as Some from that meeting launch their attempted hatchet job through the respected conservative Wall Street Journal (from this extra laptop), stupidly Guiliani's Delaware shop emails appear in the NYP with the some of the same emails (from 2 different laptop location stories).

Article from the attempted and bungled Hit job with the WSJ

Wall Street Journal not Buying It.
Inside the White House’s secret, last-ditch effort to change the narrative, and the election — and the return of the media gatekeepers.

"Journalists at The Wall Street Journal were skeptical about a story presented by three close allies of the president.
Journalists at The Wall Street Journal were skeptical about a story presented by three close allies of the president.Credit...Kevin Hagen/Getty Images
By Ben Smith
Oct. 25, 2020

By early October, even people inside the White House believed President Trump’s re-election campaign needed a desperate rescue mission. So three men allied with the president gathered at a house in McLean, Va., to launch one.

The host was Arthur Schwartz, a New York public relations man close to President Trump’s eldest son, Donald Jr. The guests were a White House lawyer, Eric Herschmann, and a former deputy White House counsel, Stefan Passantino, according to two people familiar with the meeting.

Mr. Herschmann knew the subject matter they were there to discuss. He had represented Mr. Trump during the impeachment trial early this year, and he tried to deflect allegations against the president in part by pointing to Hunter Biden’s work in Ukraine. More recently, he has been working on the White House payroll with a hazy portfolio, listed as “a senior adviser to the president,” and remains close to Jared Kushner.

The three had pinned their hopes for re-electing the president on a fourth guest, a straight-shooting Wall Street Journal White House reporter named Michael Bender. They delivered the goods to him there: a cache of emails detailing Hunter Biden’s business activities, and, on speaker phone, a former business partner of Hunter Biden’s named Tony Bobulinski. Mr. Bobulinski was willing to go on the record in The Journal with an explosive claim: that Joe Biden, the former vice president, had been aware of, and profited from, his son’s activities. The Trump team left believing that The Journal would blow the thing open and their excitement was conveyed to the president.

The Journal had seemed to be the perfect outlet for a story the Trump advisers believed could sink Mr. Biden’s candidacy. Its small-c conservatism in reporting means the work of its news pages carries credibility across the industry. And its readership leans further right than other big news outlets. Its Washington bureau chief, Paul Beckett, recently remarked at a virtual gathering of Journal reporters and editors that while he knows that the paper often delivers unwelcome news to the many Trump supporters who read it, The Journal should protect its unique position of being trusted across the political spectrum, two people familiar with the remarks said.

As the Trump team waited with excited anticipation for a Journal exposé, the newspaper did its due diligence: Mr. Bender and Mr. Beckett handed the story off to a well-regarded China correspondent, James Areddy, and a Capitol Hill reporter who had followed the Hunter Biden story, Andrew Duehren. Mr. Areddy interviewed Mr. Bobulinski. They began drafting an article.

Then things got messy. Without warning his notional allies, Rudy Giuliani, the former New York mayor and now a lawyer for President Trump, burst onto the scene with the tabloid version of the McLean crew’s carefully laid plot. Mr. Giuliani delivered a cache of documents of questionable provenance — but containing some of the same emails — to The New York Post, a sister publication to The Journal in Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp. Mr. Giuliani had been working with the former Trump aide Steve Bannon, who also began leaking some of the emails to favored right-wing outlets. Mr. Giuliani’s complicated claim that the emails came from a laptop Hunter Biden had abandoned, and his refusal to let some reporters examine the laptop, cast a pall over the story — as did The Post’s reporting, which alleged but could not prove that Joe Biden had been involved in his son’s activities.

While the Trump team was clearly jumpy, editors in The Journal’s Washington bureau were wrestling with a central question: Could the documents, or Mr. Bobulinski, prove that Joe Biden was involved in his son’s lobbying? Or was this yet another story of the younger Mr. Biden trading on his family’s name — a perfectly good theme, but not a new one or one that needed urgently to be revealed before the election.

Mr. Trump and his allies expected the Journal story to appear Monday, Oct. 19, according to Mr. Bannon. That would be late in the campaign, but not too late — and could shape that week’s news cycle heading into the crucial final debate last Thursday. An “important piece” in The Journal would be coming soon, Mr. Trump told aides on a conference call that day.

His comment was not appreciated inside The Journal.

“The editors didn’t like Trump’s insinuation that we were being teed up to do this hit job,” a Journal reporter who wasn’t directly involved in the story told me. But the reporters continued to work on the draft as the Thursday debate approached, indifferent to the White House’s frantic timeline.

Keep up with Election 2020
Finally, Mr. Bobulinski got tired of waiting.

“He got spooked about whether they were going to do it or not,” Mr. Bannon said.

At 7:35 Wednesday evening, Mr. Bobulinski emailed an on-the-record, 684-word statement making his case to a range of news outlets. Breitbart News published it in full. He appeared the next day in Nashville to attend the debate as Mr. Trump’s surprise guest, and less than two hours before the debate was to begin, he read a six-minute statement to the press, detailing his allegations that the former vice president had involvement in his son’s business dealings.

When Mr. Trump stepped on stage, the president acted as though the details of the emails and the allegations were common knowledge. “You’re the big man, I think. I don’t know, maybe you’re not,” he told Mr. Biden at some point, a reference to an ambiguous sentence from the documents.

As the debate ended, The Wall Street Journal published a brief item, just the stub of Mr. Areddy and Mr. Duehren’s reporting. The core of it was that Mr. Bobulinski had failed to prove the central claim. “Corporate records reviewed by The Wall Street Journal show no role for Joe Biden,” The Journal reported.

Asked about The Journal’s handling of the story, the editor in chief, Matt Murray, said the paper did not discuss its news gathering. “Our rigorous and trusted journalism speaks for itself,” Mr. Murray said in an emailed statement.

And if you’d been watching the debate, but hadn’t been obsessively watching Fox News or reading Breitbart, you would have had no idea what Mr. Trump was talking about. The story the Trump team hoped would upend the campaign was fading fast.

The gatekeepers return
The McLean group's failed attempt to sway the election is partly just another story revealing the chaotic, threadbare quality of the Trump operation — a far cry from the coordinated “disinformation” machinery feared by liberals.

But it’s also about a larger shift in the American media, one in which the gatekeepers appear to have returned after a long absence"

Is there the first bit of proof that Hunter Biden (not involved in the election) committed fraud or corruption? Not according to Ukraine and neither the FBI, enough yet having had the laptop for 11 months - Is there a single shred of evidence that Joe Biden (who has released all tax returns) has any dealings whatsoever or has been involved in anything? there is zero.

It pointless to argue that Trump and his kids are are 100x more corrupt and deceitful, even though they are - but the mainstream press has done well to not print unsubstantiated rumour, innuendo and choreographed specluation without the first hint of evidence.

Im happy to wager you any amount of money that nothing will come of this story, even if Trump wins, because there isnt anything it, its a media charade who's only intent is throw salacious bullshit to try and help Trumps chances of winning.

If you think it is anything more than a ruthless, co-ordinated dirty tricks campaign to try and somehow implicate Joe Biden, you're a fool my friend.

 

[Gwylan]

I haven't seen anything about it in the mainstream press.

Er ....

The Daily Mail and New York Post are covering it, but you might not like those publications.