- Aug 8, 2005
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I think that is a fair summary of the situation. Which is why we should made it clear that we were prepared to walk away. It might have taken five years for them to come back but at some point it would have happened.
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I think that is a fair summary of the situation. Which is why we should made it clear that we were prepared to walk away. It might have taken five years for them to come back but at some point it would have happened.
Trump doesn't negotiate. He simply says (blusters) what he thinks the people in front of him want to hear, which is rarely, if ever, consistent with what he last said.
He is inconsistent in the extreme, shallow and frankly stupidly dangerous (or is that dangerously stupid?).
Just my opinion of course.
What he said.
Thoughtful article about Trump in particular, and pre-fascism in general
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-trial-runs-for-fascism-are-in-full-flow-1.3543375
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-trial-runs-for-fascism-are-in-full-flow-1.3543375
Good article. Frightening. The question is: what can we do about it? Trump, Farage, Putin are all playing by a new set of rules and there doesn't seem to be any effective way of battling it at the moment.
Pretty embarrassing seeing the handful of protesters on the news last night. Even worse when they opened their mouths. If that's the strength of feeling against Trump then he is much more popular than I imagined.
Perhaps people are seeing what a good job he's doing.
Perhaps people are seeing what a good job he's doing.
Don't vote for charismatic, iconoclastic, vainglorious psychpaths who have no shame. Its that simple. The trouble is it is part of the package for these types to be compelling and attractive to half the population (or more). I don't think the rules have changed at all. Our systems are always vulnerable to such types. And it is part of our collective psyche to fall for such 'leaders'. Having a party system rather than a presidency mitigates against this to a certain extent, although both Thatcher and Blair had psychopath characteristics. Labour and the tories right now have the exact opposite, pious, dithering leaders aparently uninterested in personal gain, rewarded for their service and dedication by the nation's scorn. I suspect we get the governments we deserve. Do we have our very own psychopath, itching to bask in the glory of leadership? The tories have thus far resisted the charms of Boris.......long may it remain so.
Not Andy Naylor
Well-known member
Jacob Rees-Mogg on Obama, March 2016:
“No true honest Briton is going to be told what to do by a Yankee president - they’re just not. He can come and tell us all he likes about what we should do but we’re not an American colony and they’re not a colony of ours anymore.
“It’s so splendidly arrogant for him to think that poor little Blighty is just waiting for big old Uncle Sam to come and tell us what we should do with our European neighbours and which garden we should play in."
No doubt he will be consistent and condemn Trump's attempt to intervene in the Brexit debate.
“No true honest Briton is going to be told what to do by a Yankee president - they’re just not. He can come and tell us all he likes about what we should do but we’re not an American colony and they’re not a colony of ours anymore.
“It’s so splendidly arrogant for him to think that poor little Blighty is just waiting for big old Uncle Sam to come and tell us what we should do with our European neighbours and which garden we should play in."
No doubt he will be consistent and condemn Trump's attempt to intervene in the Brexit debate.
I think the problem is that once in power, like Trump, they can subvert democracy rendering it impotent. As well as the propaganda and undermining of the free press, there are also other levers of power - I've read that there have been a number of recent examples of court decisions on voting rights (the details seem technical but important) that disproportionately affect probable non-Republican voters.
It seems like the opposition to the new wave of populists hasn't been able to find an effective strategy as they are relying on the "old" rulebook of liberal democracies (such as simply voting these folk out) still working but I'm not sure they can withstand the pressures being put on them.
Greg Bobkin
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- May 22, 2012
- 16,018
Yeah. As if!
"Donald Trump has been "perfectly reasonable" in his comments on Brexit and future trade deals according to Conservative MP and Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg.
Speaking to BBC Radio 4's Today, Mr Rees-Mogg was responding to comments made by the US President in an interview with The Sun in which he said the UK will "probably not" get a trade deal with the US if the prime minister's Brexit plan goes ahead.
Mr Rees-Mogg (pictured) said: "The UK wants to do a trade deal with Donald Trump and he said if you want to a trade deal with the United states this isn't the way to do it."
He later added: "That's a perfectly reasonable thing for an American president to say.""
I can't imagine anybody having a suitable grasp on the CAP,apart from a superfast Kray computer!
Freudian slip, perhaps?
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Hypocricy from politicians? Whatever next.
Have you heard of Michael Gove?
By co-incidence, the presidential helicopter squadron flew over my house about an hour ago. I went outside and shook my fist, so I've done my bit.
Fortunately he lacks one neccessary ingredient - charisma. Charisma can never be replaced effectively by smugness.
Incidentally I heard Trump on the radio earlier saying what a 'great guy' Boris is, and how 'terrible' Khan is - owing to the 'state of the hospitals' (what?) and 'terrorism'. It just tripped off his tongue, and the dog whistle is 'socialism' (hospitals) and 'Muslim' (terrorist). What a guy!
Ceej
Active member
Is there any Trump supporter on here who thinks that this speech makes any sense at all? It really sounds like he's had a little stroke or something. A couple of sentences summing up the speech would be much appreciated as I'm completely and utterly puzzled 
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1015928456016777216?s=19
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1015928456016777216?s=19
He doesn't negotiate hard - he's a populist, so will literally say whatever he thinks makes him the "winner" in that situation. If people told him standing on his head and going boop would make him popular and "win", he'd be the greatest person at standing on his head and going boop ever.
He's a thicket. He's been bankrupt 6 times. If you watch him on TV for more than 5 minutes it's impossible not to realise he's an utter buffoon.
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