Tributes to David Cameron

[GT49er]

With no due respect i think you have missed the point of having a representative democracy

Absolutely not. I was pointing out the absurdity of the claim by some idiot that the electorate are too thick to be allowed to have a vote on the EU. I fear that it is you who are missing the point.

 

[GT49er]

Think I'd rather have "Dave's" legacy that the war mongering, over spending, wasteful pair of tw@t's that are Tony Blair / Gordon Brown

Well, lucky us! We've got them both now, haven't we?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

We joined a Common Market - well before I could vote. Nobody has had a real say in the direction of the EU since. Labour lied about a referendum. Since I was first able to vote I've wanted a real say in the EU relationship - Cameron finally gave me that option. For all his many faults I'm grateful of that. To suggest voters are too stupid to be able to vote on such an issue suggests they are also too stupid to vote for a UK government. I know, let's stop voting altogether - we're too stupid to understand !

Not understanding does not equate with stupidity. You used the word stupid, I didn't.

 

[Uncle Buck]

We joined a Common Market - well before I could vote. Nobody has had a real say in the direction of the EU since. Labour lied about a referendum. Since I was first able to vote I've wanted a real say in the EU relationship - Cameron finally gave me that option. For all his many faults I'm grateful of that. To suggest voters are too stupid to be able to vote on such an issue suggests they are also too stupid to vote for a UK government. I know, let's stop voting altogether - we're too stupid to understand !

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. Winston Churchill

 

[glasfryn]

bye dave

 

[drew]

I will be eternally grateful for two of my favourite election night moments... the exit poll and the Ed Bollx result #wereyouupforballs

And I think the way he handled the hung parliament situation, coalition negotiations, and then the subsequent coalition government, leading the country through dealing with unprecedented economic meltdown was a pretty extraordinary political achievement.

I won't be sorry to see the back of the Bullingdon Club at the top table (for the time-being at least!)

Wasn't the meltdown in 2008 and the economy on the up when he came into power?

 

[sant andreu]

(response to quote "why not just hand the whole thing over to Brussels"): That's just the thing, I have a lot more faith in Brussels than I do in Westminster. So they've served us a few regulations on fishing and agriculture not everyone likes, but those industries aren't in that bad shape, are they? Compared to all the crap our own government give us... Give me Brussels any day (and yes it is democratic, representational democracy just like our own parliament)

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

As I've put on previous threads, the "day-to-day" political arguments bore me to TEARS, Left wing this, right wing that blah blah bloody blah.

However, I will always remember David Cameron as the man who, despite being the man who's JOB it is to make decisions about our country, who has ALL the facts in front of him and all the advisors WITH him, decided to let us ABSOLUTE THICKOS who do NOT have the facts and who WERN'T voted in to make decisions to make one of THE biggest decisions about the future of our country.

I thought it was MENTAL at the time and the result further confirmed that.

He was the man in the key seat, he was the man who wanted to STAY in the EU and he let US IDIOTS make the decision in what appeared to be some attempt to look like a man of the people.

It's like me asking the mental drunk bloke down the pub which car I should buy and sticking with it, even if I really don't want the Renault Twingo.

 

[LlcoolJ]

He gambled the entire country's future in a desperate grasp at hanging onto power as he was too terrified to stand up for his principles when faced with the "swivel eyed loon" element of his party and Ukip. He even admitted so himself in his conversations with Clegg at the time.

He'll therefore go down in history as one of the worst Prime Ministers of all time. And rightly so.

Whatever you think of Blair, Thatcher, Brown, Major even, they were leaders who were prepared to follow their own principles (right or wrong).

All Cameron ever did was try to do what was popular with whichever group of people he thought would keep him in the job at the time.

He took spin to a new level regarding the economy, along with Osborne. Overseeing more government borrowing than at any point under any other government while destroying public services and stamping on the poorest in society. Telling everyone that his "economic plan" was working despite the figures showing the exact opposite. I could go on.

The only good thing he did was fall on his sword at the correct moment, simultaneously skewering Boris and Gove. But he had little option to do anything else.

A pathetic politician and an embarrassment of a Prime Minister.

Bye Dave.

 

[highflyer]

Absolutely not. I was pointing out the absurdity of the claim by some idiot that the electorate are too thick to be allowed to have a vote on the EU. I fear that it is you who are missing the point.

Not about being thick but the reality is that, while the consequences of 'remain' were relatively straighforward, the potential consequences of an 'out' vote were far more complex (depending on a multitude of factors) so the reality is that most people voting out simply could not know what they were actually voting for. We still don't know what we have voted for and probably will not find out for months if not years. By electing representatives, acting as party of a wider party, with a defined agenda, we allow such decisions to be taken as part of a wider process of governance. If we don't like how that wider process works out we have a regular chance to change it. Brexit was a decision that should have been left to our elected representatives. That said I think our method of electing our representatives needs to change.

 

[GT49er]

We joined a Common Market - well before I could vote. Nobody has had a real say in the direction of the EU since. Labour lied about a referendum. Since I was first able to vote I've wanted a real say in the EU relationship - Cameron finally gave me that option. For all his many faults I'm grateful of that. To suggest voters are too stupid to be able to vote on such an issue suggests they are also too stupid to vote for a UK government. I know, let's stop voting altogether - we're too stupid to understand !

Absolutely this - exactly the same for me, except I was around in '75 and voted not to join then!

 

[Boy Blue]

As I've put on previous threads, the "day-to-day" political arguments bore me to TEARS, Left wing this, right wing that blah blah bloody blah.

However, I will always remember David Cameron as the man who, despite being the man who's JOB it is to make decisions about our country, who has ALL the facts in front of him and all the advisors WITH him, decided to let us ABSOLUTE THICKOS who do NOT have the facts and who WERN'T voted in to make decisions to make one of THE biggest decisions about the future of our country.

I thought it was MENTAL at the time and the result further confirmed that.

He was the man in the key seat, he was the man who wanted to STAY in the EU and he let US IDIOTS make the decision in what appeared to be some attempt to look like a man of the people.

It's like me asking the mental drunk bloke down the pub which car I should buy and sticking with it, even if I really don't want the Renault Twingo.

Cameron only cared about his career and his globe trotting cavouir dinners. He hasn't sampled or know the meaning of being poor and what communities are feeling due to mass immigration. The toff only mixes with like minded Eton educated toffs who have no idea what goes on outside the politicians bubble.

 

[Beach Hut]

Weak leadership and bullied by some chancer from Kent

 

[highflyer]

Whatever you think of Blair, Thatcher, Brown, Major even, they were leaders who were prepared to follow their own principles (right or wrong).

All Cameron ever did was try to do what was popular with whichever group of people he thought would keep him in the job at the time...He took spin to a new levell...A pathetic politician and an embarrassment of a Prime Minister.

Going to have to pull you up on the inclusion of Bair in that list...your subsequent description of Cameron would fit Blair equally well

 

[highflyer]

As I've put on previous threads, the "day-to-day" political arguments bore me to TEARS, Left wing this, right wing that blah blah bloody blah.

However, I will always remember David Cameron as the man who, despite being the man who's JOB it is to make decisions about our country, who has ALL the facts in front of him and all the advisors WITH him, decided to let us ABSOLUTE THICKOS who do NOT have the facts and who WERN'T voted in to make decisions to make one of THE biggest decisions about the future of our country.

I thought it was MENTAL at the time and the result further confirmed that.

He was the man in the key seat, he was the man who wanted to STAY in the EU and he let US IDIOTS make the decision in what appeared to be some attempt to look like a man of the people.

It's like me asking the mental drunk bloke down the pub which car I should buy and sticking with it, even if I really don't want the Renault Twingo.

A far better way of making the case for a representative democracy. This.

 

[GT49er]

Not about being thick but the reality is that, while the consequences of 'remain' were relatively straighforward, the potential consequences of an 'out' vote were far more complex (depending on a multitude of factors) so the reality is that most people voting out simply could not know what they were actually voting for. We still don't know what we have voted for and probably will not find out for months if not years. By electing representatives, acting as party of a wider party, with a defined agenda, we allow such decisions to be taken as part of a wider process of governance. If we don't like how that wider process works out we have a regular chance to change it. Brexit was a decision that should have been left to our elected representatives. That said I think our method of electing our representatives needs to change.

Two things:

Remaining wasn't straightforward - there was no clearly laid out path as to how far the United States of Europe plan would go, no definition about how long our opt-outs would last, when the Euro would become compulsory, the EU army, the compulsory allocation of refugees - there's a long list of unknowns.

The history of our involvement in the EU is a long saga of treaties being signed by our government without the consent of the UK people; signing these agreements was not specified in the party manifestoes on which we were allowed to vote. Such major constitutional changes (such as Scottish independence and PR) need to be put to the democratic vote of the electorate, not just agreed to by our representatives because they think we might like it, or ought to like it anyway.

 

[Taybha]

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

To suggest voters are too stupid to be able to vote on such an issue suggests they are also too stupid to vote for a UK government. I know, let's stop voting altogether - we're too stupid to understand !

Absolutely not.

In an election campaign each party puts forward a CLEAR manifesto. Sure, we can all be cynical and say "they never stick to them" but ulitimately they provide something to base a vote on.

During this referendum, neither side EVER made it CLEAR what a vote would cause. It was all "The leave campaign say household bills COULD be lower if we leave......the remainers say they wont". Never anything concrete,

In this case the British public were COMPLETELY uneducated to make an informed decision. It was mind-boggling. Ultimately the ONE certainty that anyone seemed to be able to put their finger on was immigration which turned out to be a HUGE catch for a LOT of leavers.

And again, I'm not overly political, but even I could see the whole affair was an utter sham.

 

[Surf's Up]

History will judge him as the fool who gambled on the Brexit referendum and lost. There is little else that he will be remembered for.

It is a shame as he is far from the worst Tory I can think of.

Nail on head.

 

[goldstone]

Did reasonably OK until the referendum. If he thought leaving the EU would be such a disaster for the country he shouldn't have agreed to hold the referendum.