Train farce

[British Bulldog]

Hope the driver of the 2145 loses his or her job.

Bit harsh.

 

[British Bulldog]

It seems to me that Southern cannot seem to react effectively when they hit problems.

I found that was very often the case when I had to work with them during times of disruption.

 

[Falkor]

If the driver forgot to stop surely he must have run a red light then.

 

[wadhurstseagull]

I caught the train both ways from Lewes last night. Sat in my seat on the way back thinking how much the service has improved.

 

[Guinness Boy]

If the driver forgot to stop surely he must have run a red light then.

Wrong. He waited at a red light. The red light was at the West end of the Brighton bound platform and he waited outside the station, a platform length away from the signal. His decision not to stop was very deliberate.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Bearing in mind most people have paid £0?

Any chance you want to read my posts again?

1) I said they'd be entitled to delay/repay in all OTHER circumstances
2) Anyone coming from Portsmouth / London has paid for a ticket (or at least part).
3) Next season this is irrelevant. A travel levy will be added to your DD regardless of Southern's performance

 

[Carrot Cruncher]

Bit harsh.

Not really. Not stopping at a station is probably the most serious mistake a driver can make. In most jobs, the most serious mistakes result in summary dismissal.

 

[Carrot Cruncher]

Wrong. He waited at a red light. The red light was at the West end of the Brighton bound platform and he waited outside the station, a platform length away from the signal. His decision not to stop was very deliberate.

If this is the case then they definitely deserved to be dismissed.

 

[rouseytastic]

I live in H Heath and always go via Lewes now. Getting there last night was fine as usual. I'll admit that a 15 minute wait on the ramp broke my balls a bit mainly because I wasn't wearing a coat, and a half hour wait at Lewes for a connection home didn't float my boat, but there is the lovely late night booze shop outside which kept me busy.......never change at Brighton now. It's a joke. Felt very sorry watching the people on the platform opposite. Looked like hell on earth!

 

[British Bulldog]

Not really. Not stopping at a station is probably the most serious mistake a driver can make. In most jobs, the most serious mistakes result in summary dismissal.

It's far from the most serious mistake a driver can make, If the train sat outside the station waiting for the signal to change it would indicate to me that the driver didn't even know he was supposed to stop at the station as it's common practice for a driver to do that for a non-stopping train.

 

[Deleted User X18H]

Not really. Not stopping at a station is probably the most serious mistake a driver can make. In most jobs, the most serious mistakes result in summary dismissal.

So you want someone sacked because you got home later then you anticipated, although you knew you were in for a late one anyway. How does anyone know this train was actually in service?

 

[Guinness Boy]

It's far from the most serious mistake a driver can make, If the train sat outside the station waiting for the signal to change it would indicate to me that the driver didn't even know he was supposed to stop at the station as it's common practice for a driver to do that for a non-stopping train.

I'd sort of agree in that he thought he was acting safely and, obviously, rear ending an express is the worst mistake a driver can make. However it shows up the total shambles that is Southern's communication. As I said the stewards had loaded the platform completely and the Customer Information System was showing an 8 car train at 21.45. Its failure to stop (replaced by a 3 car 15 mins later) caused a very serious crush which included women and children right next to a live rail. If the driver picked up the wrong instructions he should be disciplined (but not necessarily sacked). If the fault was the wrong info being passed on then there need to be a few P45s handed out in Southern's information management department.

 

[Guinness Boy]

So you want someone sacked because you got home later then you anticipated, although you knew you were in for a late one anyway. How does anyone know this train was actually in service?

Point missed totally.

1) the knock on effect was people missed connections and therefore their last trains home AT ALL.
2) the cock up led to a dangerous crush next to Lord knows how much live electricity.

 

[Wozza]

How does anyone know this train was actually in service?

There were people on it...

 

[desprateseagull]

More carriages needed, to AND from Falmer, on match days (nights)..

Just about squeezed on both times, and a worrying rush onto platform at Falmer- seems they gave up on staggering queues, once past bottom of slope- by footbridge.

I had bought rail tickets, but these weren't checked at either end, BOTH ways.

Signage for fans approaching the Falmer station from Amex neeeds to be improved- train time display maybe, on the approach?

 

[KJP]

There were people on it...

And the southern guys at falmer were saying someone at lewes had radioed them to say he had missed the stop and carried on to Brighton

 

[Deleted User X18H]

There were people on it...

Oh. Contact Chris Birchell at Southern. He'll know why. Possibly. Maybe the driver had been radioed not to stop.

 

[British Bulldog]

I'd sort of agree in that he thought he was acting safely and, obviously, rear ending an express is the worst mistake a driver can make. However it shows up the total shambles that is Southern's communication. As I said the stewards had loaded the platform completely and the Customer Information System was showing an 8 car train at 21.45. Its failure to stop (replaced by a 3 car 15 mins later) caused a very serious crush which included women and children right next to a live rail. If the driver picked up the wrong instructions he should be disciplined (but not necessarily sacked). If the fault was the wrong info being passed on then there need to be a few P45s handed out in Southern's information management department.

There was obviously a break down in communication there last night which is not good in itself, But calling for people to be sacked when nobody knows the truth of what happened is ridiculous.

 

[Deleted User X18H]

I'd sort of agree in that he thought he was acting safely and, obviously, rear ending an express is the worst mistake a driver can make. However it shows up the total shambles that is Southern's communication. As I said the stewards had loaded the platform completely and the Customer Information System was showing an 8 car train at 21.45. Its failure to stop (replaced by a 3 car 15 mins later) caused a very serious crush which included women and children right next to a live rail. If the driver picked up the wrong instructions he should be disciplined (but not necessarily sacked). If the fault was the wrong info being passed on then there need to be a few P45s handed out in Southern's information management department.

How were they next to a live rail? Were people actually on the track?

 

[Hillian1]

They go by the numbers told them by the club so cater for that, so the club would base the numbers on the numbers of vouchers sold

Ok Ernest I'll go with that, but for the 21.45 to not stop, when the thing was empty and 8 carriages long is laughable.

I got on the 3 carriage debacle and to be honest that was a bit hairy to say the least. Shared a carriage on the 22.33 to London Bridge with some very, very pissed off Reading fans. They had been told the train didn't stop because the guard was missing, how the hell does that happen?