Trafalgar

[skipper734]

The British were dicks, constantly attacking France and paying for other countries to attempt invasions of France all because the french had deposed there royal family instead believing in liberty, equality, fraternity. Funnily enough the power elite over here didn't want those ideas to cross the channel.

So Napoleon has nothing to do with this then? You are wrong, the Premier Legue Of wrong, if wrongness had a degree in wrongness you would cme bottom of the class, and it's their not there, so wrong again. Are you French?

 

[heathgate]

This day has been suggested by many when asking about an additional Bank holiday to have the same number as most European countries but I suppose with Brexit we shall have to continue to go from August to Christmas without a bank holiday.

France and Spain already complained once about us celebrating the 200th anniversary of Trafalgar in 2005...our liberal pseudo intellectual, permanently offended left will never allow a bank holiday that celebrates a mighty military victory.

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

So Napoleon has nothing to do with this then? You are wrong, the Premier Legue Of wrong, if wrongness had a degree in wrongness you would cme bottom of the class, and it's their not there, so wrong again. Are you French?

Must be a remainer.

 

[heathgate]

The British were dicks, constantly attacking France and paying for other countries to attempt invasions of France all because the french had deposed there royal family instead believing in liberty, equality, fraternity. Funnily enough the power elite over here didn't want those ideas to cross the channel.

Ha... how dull.... Firstly the Naval conflict was in reality a blockade reaction to the massive land grabs the post revolutionary French forces put into action right through from 1780 ish to 1815 of course.

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

 

[drew]

Mentioned the anniversary during a driving lesson today and my pupil claimed never to have heard of the battle!!! Had to explain that Trafalgar Square was named after it and that column in the middle has a bloke at the top who died during the battle!!!

 

[Thunder Bolt]

It's a tribute to Lord Nelson's tactics, as the British only had 27 ships, compared to the French and Spanish, who had 33.

 

[GT49er]

The massive difference being that all nations are represented in Brussels and the actual location of the European parliament is irrelevant. Unfortunately not recognised by many xenophobes.

French were still after one Europe, single state, central control (ring any bells, does it?), however else you spin it.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Europe always invading our sacred Island......Romans,Vikings,Normans,the Spanish tried... I feel we have had a bad reputation over the years keeping the hordes at bay...Germans did i mention them...Even Russian navy is trying it on..

 

[Javeaseagull]

France and Spain already complained once about us celebrating the 200th anniversary of Trafalgar in 2005...our liberal pseudo intellectual, permanently offended left will never allow a bank holiday that celebrates a mighty military victory.

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

Is that why Eurostar had to move from Waterloo?

 

[Javeaseagull]

It's a tribute to Lord Nelson's tactics, as the British only had 27 ships, compared to the French and Spanish, who had 33.

You are quite right but he broke all the rules of engagement and sailed straight at them to divide and conquer. If he had lived they would probably have court martialled him!

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

It's a tribute to Lord Nelson's tactics, as the British only had 27 ships, compared to the French and Spanish, who had 33.

It had a lot to do with the pitch and roll of the ships too.The British would fire when the ship dropped thus the cannons were aimed at the hull,whilst French/Spanish ships tended to fire on the rise,whilst aiming for the rigging......that's my recall..

 

[Doc Lynam]

So Napoleon has nothing to do with this then? You are wrong, the Premier Legue Of wrong, if wrongness had a degree in wrongness you would cme bottom of the class, and it's their not there, so wrong again. Are you French?

Napoleon only had ambitions to invade Britain because the British elite were constantly funding other legitimist countries to invade France. This because of what he stood for and represented. He swept aside the idea of divine right to rule and (the terror) the mass guillotining and feudalism, creating instead equality before the law and the weekly meetings of the consul d'etat to vet the laws, religious tolerance, by signing the concordat to name only a few. He wasn't perfect far, far from it but certainly wasn't the bogey man Britain created.

 

[Easy 10]

It's a tribute to Lord Nelson's tactics, as the British only had 27 ships, compared to the French and Spanish, who had 33.

And the Spanish-Franco alliance lost 22 of their 33 ships in that battle.

Britain lost 0.

 

[Coldeanseagull]

On a more sobering note, if anyone ventures to Gibraltar, have a gander at the small cemetery just the other side of the shops. Have a look at the age of some of the sailors buried there and the trades they were employed as

 

[Shuggie]

Napoleon only had ambitions to invade Britain because the British elite were constantly funding other legitimist countries to invade France. This because of what he stood for and represented. He swept aside the idea of divine right to rule and (the terror) the mass guillotining and feudalism, creating instead equality before the law and the weekly meetings of the consul d'etat to vet the laws, religious tolerance, by signing the concordat to name only a few. He wasn't perfect far, far from it but certainly wasn't the bogey man Britain created.

That would be the poor hard done by little corporal who, inspired by the egalitarian spirit of the Revolution, set himself up as Emperor of the French and went on to install his siblings as king/queen of 3 or 4 conquered countries. That self-same Revolution which was brought about as a result of the French bankrupting themselves funding the American struggle for independence. Which was quite a reasonable strategy for them seeing as Marlborough had wiped the floor with them a few decades before that. Which was fair enough considering how the troublesome French had spent the previous hundred years trying to get Catholics back on the throne of England. Which was Henry's fault in the first place of course. Don't get me started on the 100 years' war. To cut a long story short, it was clearly William the *******'s fault for invading us in 1066. Unless you believe the Lying *******'s claim that Edward promised him the throne ... in which case it was all Edward's fault. Whichever version you prefer, you have probably found the person to blame for Brexit.

Maybe we just don't get on?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

On a more sobering note, if anyone ventures to Gibraltar, have a gander at the small cemetery just the other side of the shops. Have a look at the age of some of the sailors buried there and the trades they were employed as

We visited that in 2011, when we went out to Spain to watch the Albion pre-season. We spent the day in Gib.

 

[cunning fergus]

Napoleon only had ambitions to invade Britain because the British elite were constantly funding other legitimist countries to invade France. This because of what he stood for and represented. He swept aside the idea of divine right to rule and (the terror) the mass guillotining and feudalism, creating instead equality before the law and the weekly meetings of the consul d'etat to vet the laws, religious tolerance, by signing the concordat to name only a few. He wasn't perfect far, far from it but certainly wasn't the bogey man Britain created.

The French Revolution far from establishing egalite fraternite and liberte for the French poor, did nothing of the sort. The revolution was fomented and led by the merchant classes and lower layers of the aristocracy, they were just as prejudiced to the poor as their forebears.

Napoleon only offered something different because he sought to restore the predominate status of the French which he did through conquest.

As already highlighted he eventually crowned himself emperor, parachuted his relatives onto the thrones of conquered European states, married a Hapsburg princess who bore him a son who was known as the King of Rome.........he was no socialist reformer, just a precursor to the Kinnock family.

He was responsible for the deaths of millions through war and associated privation, many victims his own soldiers in his disastrous campaigns in Egypt and Russia.

His treatment of the ex slave leader of the Haiti Revolution should be his epitaph........he cared not a jot about the freedom of man or equality.

http://www.historywiz.com/toussaint.htm

You are embarrassing yourself by trying to extol his positives, as if Hitler's virulent opposition to smoking and commitment to vegetarianism somehow makes him progressive these days.

 

[Tarpon]

The French Revolution far from establishing egalite fraternite and liberte for the French poor, did nothing of the sort. The revolution was fomented and led by the merchant classes and lower layers of the aristocracy, they were just as prejudiced to the poor as their forebears.

Napoleon only offered something different because he sought to restore the predominate status of the French which he did through conquest.

As already highlighted he eventually crowned himself emperor, parachuted his relatives onto the thrones of conquered European states, married a Hapsburg princess who bore him a son who was known as the King of Rome.........he was no socialist reformer, just a precursor to the Kinnock family.

He was responsible for the deaths of millions through war and associated privation, many victims his own soldiers in his disastrous campaigns in Egypt and Russia.

His treatment of the ex slave leader of the Haiti Revolution should be his epitaph........he cared not a jot about the freedom of man or equality.

http://www.historywiz.com/toussaint.htm

You are embarrassing yourself by trying to extol his positives, as if Hitler's virulent opposition to smoking and commitment to vegetarianism somehow makes him progressive these days.

 

[smudge]

My last night at sea in the RN was Pickle Night in the WO & CPO's mess of HMS Invincible.
A night of drinking grog & singing shanties!

HMS Pickle was the ship that brought news of the victory at Trafalgar & also the announcement of Nelson's death. To this day, Officers celebrate Trafalgar night with a mess dinner, whereas Senior Rates (non Commissioned Officers) celebrate with Pickle night on Nov 4th (the date in 1805 when she arrived in Falmouth from Trafalgar), which is shall we say, a more raucous affair. Up Spirits!

 

[Doc Lynam]

The French Revolution far from establishing egalite fraternite and liberte for the French poor, did nothing of the sort. The revolution was fomented and led by the merchant classes and lower layers of the aristocracy, they were just as prejudiced to the poor as their forebears.

Napoleon only offered something different because he sought to restore the predominate status of the French which he did through conquest.

As already highlighted he eventually crowned himself emperor, parachuted his relatives onto the thrones of conquered European states, married a Hapsburg princess who bore him a son who was known as the King of Rome.........he was no socialist reformer, just a precursor to the Kinnock family.

He was responsible for the deaths of millions through war and associated privation, many victims his own soldiers in his disastrous campaigns in Egypt and Russia.

His treatment of the ex slave leader of the Haiti Revolution should be his epitaph........he cared not a jot about the freedom of man or equality.

http://www.historywiz.com/toussaint.htm

You are embarrassing yourself by trying to extol his positives, as if Hitler's virulent opposition to smoking and commitment to vegetarianism somehow makes him progressive these days.

That would be the poor hard done by little corporal who, inspired by the egalitarian spirit of the Revolution, set himself up as Emperor of the French and went on to install his siblings as king/queen of 3 or 4 conquered countries. That self-same Revolution which was brought about as a result of the French bankrupting themselves funding the American struggle for independence. Which was quite a reasonable strategy for them seeing as Marlborough had wiped the floor with them a few decades before that. Which was fair enough considering how the troublesome French had spent the previous hundred years trying to get Catholics back on the throne of England. Which was Henry's fault in the first place of course. Don't get me started on the 100 years' war. To cut a long story short, it was clearly William the *******'s fault for invading us in 1066. Unless you believe the Lying *******'s claim that Edward promised him the throne ... in which case it was all Edward's fault. Whichever version you prefer, you have probably found the person to blame for Brexit.

Maybe we just don't get on?

Fair enough, if people want to do some research they can inform themselves and draw their own conclusions. A recommended starting point would be the recent BBC documentary Napoleon.