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Well, we enjoyed an hour in the sunny uplands of the Big Board. To be fair, this topic was destined for the pit.
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Tory party urges members to weaponise fake news...
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Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Genuine answer. I don't know, there might not be a recovery, this might be the new 'normal'. I do worry for the future.
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First we have to get the Tory party out. Then the hard work begins. Not least unravelling the real figures behind all their doctored stats on employment, national debt, pension deficits, poverty etc.
It will be akin to going into a hoarders house after they have died. Old broken fridges full of unpaid bills, milk bottles brimming with people employed on worthless variable hours contracts, ruined communities turned into Lego land by the tory policy of "no planning required" wrapped up in old newspapers and stuffed down the broken toilet.
The auditors are going to be busy for decades after Johnson and his cronies are turfed out.
Then some poor sod has the unenviable but wholly necessary task of getting us back into the EU, or at least establishing some kind of workable trade arrangement.
Christ! what a mess.
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Machiavelli
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This is a fair point, and that was a deeply corrosive episode. Campbell and Blair mastered spin, which was far more about emphasising the 'good' parts of policy, etc and downplaying the 'bad'. But they had to do it, because (and despite Trump's claims about the mainstream media, and the constant attacks over the biased BBC over here -- which is a load of old nonsense) the media in this country are Tory-oriented. The press continues to exert a profound influence -- think of the decades worth of Euroscepticism drip-fed to the public since the 1980s, by 'organs' owned by non-domiciled figures with a clear and consistent agenda.
The current cohort of Tories (and their cheerleaders in the media) have taken things to a different level, although I'd still hesitate to accuse them of lying -- in much the same way that I'd hesitate to say that Blair lied over Iraq -- because they genuinely believe that Brexit will produce beneficial effects (just as Blair believed that Hussein had WMD). Both of these things can only be confirmed in the long term. Just as Iraq was proved to not have WMD, my strong suspicion is that Brexit will not improve the UK's status in the world. Rather, quite the opposite, it will accelerate its decline.
schmunk
Why oh why oh why?
Can anyone think of any examples of dishonesty by a Tory politician much, much closer to home
Can Timmy really be described as a 'politician'...?
Machiavelli
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A question for the mod that moved this thread to The Bear Pit: pourquoi?
I ask this because:
-- I was initially opposed to the creation of TBP
-- I think I might have been wrong in that initial response, in no small part because it's marginalised certain posters to TBP, and I/the majority of users don't have to endure their output
-- I'm not sure that this thread had degenerated into anything uncivil. It was bound to but, unless I'm missing something, it hadn't
I ask this because:
-- I was initially opposed to the creation of TBP
-- I think I might have been wrong in that initial response, in no small part because it's marginalised certain posters to TBP, and I/the majority of users don't have to endure their output
-- I'm not sure that this thread had degenerated into anything uncivil. It was bound to but, unless I'm missing something, it hadn't
nicko31
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Lets face it for the Tories since 2016, its so far so good.
Now an 80 seat majority and a liar at the helm surrounded by nodding dogs
Plus the offshore media on your side.
The public are fast becoming easy meat, gaslight central...
Now an 80 seat majority and a liar at the helm surrounded by nodding dogs
Plus the offshore media on your side.
The public are fast becoming easy meat, gaslight central...
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I agree largely but this point, this simply isn't true. Cameron held the referendum to claw back votes he was losing to UKIP. Boris Johnson has previously stated many times Brexit would be a disaster, even going as far as to pen two articles, one in favour of Brexit, one against Brexit. He waited until the vote was in until he chose which one to publish.
Machiavelli
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I wasn't speaking about Johnson specifically. If I wanted to, I would have named him. So, there's plenty of truth in what I said.
Can anyone think of any examples of dishonesty by a Tory politician much, much closer to home
Tony Blair?
I think it’s a new rule, no political threads on a match day, the OP wouldn’t have appreciated this as he he isn’t a BHAFC fan [emoji106]
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I see Chicken Run / Pasta / JCFG has found us. Or whatever account he is using today. So it wouldn't have lasted long on the BB once this one arrives. And it signals my departure too. It won't be long before he starts throwing about personal insults, claiming I'm not a fan, calling me Nibble etc. If he hasn't started already. Basically he signals the death of civilised conversation. Not for me, Clive.
TTFN TC
TTFN TC
Do you think that one set of lies/misrepresentations somehow justifies another? What are you thinking? Why not just condemn all fake news?
Excellent, seeing you scurrying away like the nasty shiit stirrer that you are means my work is complete, I’ll keep an eye out in future for your bullshit threads going forward[emoji23][emoji23]
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Pretty pink fairy
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Look no further than comrade corbyn , McDonnell and Abbott
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DF