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Chicken Run

Member Since Jul 2003
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Jul 17, 2003
19,817
Valley of Hangleton
I read as much into the reports of the huge queues for Rees-Mogg.as I do the odd football chants for Corbyn.

Voting for a political party is fine, see what they have on offer, reckon it's for you (or the country) and decide again at the next election.

But joining a political party ? ..what a really really odd thing to do.

Sorry.

This, the Labour Party and its members **** themselves raw over the amount of idiots who pay them money so that Steptoe can quite literally spunk it all over the place with his pipe dreams!
 




beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
36,027
I would just like to leave this with all Tory voters on here, something to have a think about on the eve of your leaders address tomorrow.
Today, Surrey council axed 21 million pounds From their budget for children with special needs due to cuts in funding from Central Government.
Good night, sleep well.

have any of these cuts made anyone wonder how we got this situation, where so many services are apparently non-core and un-accounted for, provided on the whim of local authorities? there has been a narrative for years of waste in government, local and national, now that cuts come services are affected. it seems to me we've not been recognising services and no one seems to be taking up the question of what should or should not be provided or how.
 


Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
have any of these cuts made anyone wonder how we got this situation, where so many services are apparently non-core and un-accounted for, provided on the whim of local authorities? there has been a narrative for years of waste in government, local and national, now that cuts come services are affected. it seems to me we've not been recognising services and no one seems to be taking up the question of what should or should not be provided or how.

Do you really think services for disabled, disadvantaged, and homeless are provided on the whim of councils?
Money to help people is wasted?

The government has reduced spending in every department including money to local councils, in the name of austerity.

Money that is now being used to buy votes in parliament via the DUP, amongst other things.
 


Herr Tubthumper

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Jul 11, 2003
62,745
The Fatherland
have any of these cuts made anyone wonder how we got this situation, where so many services are apparently non-core and un-accounted for, provided on the whim of local authorities? there has been a narrative for years of waste in government, local and national, now that cuts come services are affected. it seems to me we've not been recognising services and no one seems to be taking up the question of what should or should not be provided or how.

I’m sorry but this is an absolutely shocking post. Disability services, on a whim? Mental health, on a whim? Jesus. This attitude is the part of the Conservative party which I despise the most.
 


Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
54,958
Surrey
have any of these cuts made anyone wonder how we got this situation, where so many services are apparently non-core and un-accounted for, provided on the whim of local authorities? there has been a narrative for years of waste in government, local and national, now that cuts come services are affected. it seems to me we've not been recognising services and no one seems to be taking up the question of what should or should not be provided or how.
One day you'll realise that waste is a fact of life and that flagging it up as a thing doesn't really add anything to the debate over whether or not it is right to cut services.

Basically, all you're doing is masking your own clear belief that cutting taxes and therefore services is all absolutely fine. Personally I'd rather you just said that rather than skirting around it by talking about waste as if you're adding something that nobody else has thought about.
 








Herr Tubthumper

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One day you'll realise that waste is a fact of life and that flagging it up as a thing doesn't really add anything to the debate over whether or not it is right to cut services.

Basically, all you're doing is masking your own clear belief that cutting taxes and therefore services is all absolutely fine. Personally I'd rather you just said that rather than skirting around it by talking about waste as if you're adding something that nobody else has thought about.

I’ve always felt if politicians continually talk about waste and inefficiencies it’s because the service is underfunded and/or their numbers don’t quite add up.
 




Herr Tubthumper

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Jul 11, 2003
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Basically, all you're doing is masking your own clear belief that cutting taxes and therefore services is all absolutely fine

Very much this. An appalling attitude. I can only presume he doesn’t have any ill or vulnerable people in his family.
 


Gwylan

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Jul 5, 2003
31,836
Uffern
have any of these cuts made anyone wonder how we got this situation, where so many services are apparently non-core and un-accounted for, provided on the whim of local authorities? there has been a narrative for years of waste in government, local and national, now that cuts come services are affected. it seems to me we've not been recognising services and no one seems to be taking up the question of what should or should not be provided or how.

This a truly appalling post: people's lives are being affected by this.

I can speak from experience here: my daughter has educational special needs and went to a specialist school. She was happy there and making good progress but, because of budget cuts, it closed down last year. She now goes to another specialist school but there's no money to provide a full educational timetable, so she only goes in two hours a day (and often doesn't as she sees it as a waste of time to catch two buses for two hours). We're trying to fight against this but we're fighting against people like beorhthelm who think of education as some of luxury.

It's not even saving money. There was a piece of Southern news last night about the cuts in Surrey, interviewing a woman whose autistic son was facing the loss of transport to get to his special school. She said that if help was cut, she'd have to give up her job to take him, costing the government more in benefits than it would cost to ferry him to school. It's totally crazy.
 






Horton's halftime iceberg

Blooming Marvellous
Jan 9, 2005
16,491
Brighton
This a truly appalling post: people's lives are being affected by this.

I can speak from experience here: my daughter has educational special needs and went to a specialist school. She was happy there and making good progress but, because of budget cuts, it closed down last year. She now goes to another specialist school but there's no money to provide a full educational timetable, so she only goes in two hours a day (and often doesn't as she sees it as a waste of time to catch two buses for two hours). We're trying to fight against this but we're fighting against people like beorhthelm who think of education as some of luxury.

It's not even saving money. There was a piece of Southern news last night about the cuts in Surrey, interviewing a woman whose autistic son was facing the loss of transport to get to his special school. She said that if help was cut, she'd have to give up her job to take him, costing the government more in benefits than it would cost to ferry him to school. It's totally crazy.

Yes she was one of the people taking this to the high court. No paper or consultation made at all just straight to cuts. However much the government trys to talk up the economy, this is the elephant in the room, fund basic services at least or you are not doing your job in helping all your citizens.
 




Raleigh Chopper

New member
Sep 1, 2011
12,054
Plymouth
Apparently she is going to say that the hard up are going to be looked after and will be ok under the Conservatives, its the JAMS again.
Also fuel, which is the same price if you are rich or poor is going to remain frozen.
Way to go Theresa, radical stuff.
 




CHAPPERS

DISCO SPENG
Jul 5, 2003
45,098
Apparently she is going to say that the hard up are going to be looked after and will be ok under the Conservatives, its the JAMS again.
Also fuel, which is the same price if you are rich or poor is going to remain frozen.
Way to go Theresa, radical stuff.

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Horton's halftime iceberg

Blooming Marvellous
Jan 9, 2005
16,491
Brighton
Apparently she is going to say that the hard up are going to be looked after and will be ok under the Conservatives, its the JAMS again.
Also fuel, which is the same price if you are rich or poor is going to remain frozen.
Way to go Theresa, radical stuff.

Don't forget staff in restaurants will be allowed to keep their OWN tips.
 


Moshe Gariani

Well-known member
Mar 10, 2005
12,203
Don't forget staff in restaurants will be allowed to keep their OWN tips.
The genesis of that particular policy formulation is laughably easy to identify...

I'm surprised there hasn't been an equally important announcement about regulating pay and conditions for housekeepers and nannies.
 


Horton's halftime iceberg

Blooming Marvellous
Jan 9, 2005
16,491
Brighton
I am expecting a big blast at the EU, preparing for the inevitable cliff edge or what many in her party will see as a bad deal. Setting up for the blame others mantra from next March.

Playing to the peanut gallery (and the DUP) and populist sound bites, rather than clear polices and solutions.
 




wellquickwoody

Many More Voting Years
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Aug 10, 2007
13,915
Melbourne
I’ve always felt if politicians continually talk about waste and inefficiencies it’s because the service is underfunded and/or their numbers don’t quite add up.

So there are no innefficiencies or waste in the public sector? You have taken spouting utter claptrap to another level!

Awaits the 'you did it first/better' retort.
 


Bozza

You can change this
Helpful Moderator
Jul 4, 2003
57,320
Back in Sussex
Don't forget staff in restaurants will be allowed to keep their OWN tips.

The genesis of that particular policy formulation is laughably easy to identify...

I'm surprised there hasn't been an equally important announcement about regulating pay and conditions for housekeepers and nannies.

Regardless of where it comes from, and I neither know nor care, does it matter?

Your snidey responses to this illustrate exactly what is wrong with politics with so many in this country.

It's a good, sound common-sense policy isn't it? For whatever reason, it has not been implemented by any prior government, of any hue, yet all you can do is be snarky and play some sort of petty "copy cat" card, presumably because you are pro-Labour, anti-Tory and just so blinkered that you can't pass any form of positive comment as a result.

Sad.
 


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