[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[aolstudios]

The whole issue of yesterday is that politicians of all hues were playing games with a serious issue. Some were worse than others.

The snp motion went beyond calling for a ceasefire it aimed to apportion blame. Knowing this would be problematic for both tories and labour. More the latter as the former are shameless.

The tories were not planning to offer an amendment as they saw labour as the only losers in this debate. Labour then did offer an amendement which in normal circs would have been ok. Labour's amendment took blame out and did explain a ceasefire needs work from bot sides and did offer a what next element. Ironically thos is where france, nz, australia and canada alreay are as states national policy and US are moving there too. Should labour have got there quicker? Yes definitely

Tories then offer an amendment as they could see the snp trap has failed. Playing the system as it were.

Hoyle did break convention but he didnt break the rules or indeed precedent. As the letter above explains

Tories then pulled their amendment because they knew they would be subject to a rebellion of their own as many on their party would back the labour position (indeed many in snp do too). Point is their amendment never had the votes and was only put forward to try and stop the labour amendment being debated. That was trying to use the convention for party political games.

But rather than just losing they decided to take their ball home too. Snp then walked out too.

If tories hadnt offered an amendment there wouldn't have been the issue we had yesterday. As for tories ditching Hoyle? He has been ineffective at pmq's so they need to be careful what they wish for as the replacement could be a lot worse for them

This ^
All of it

 

[nicko31]

Oh, down with that sort of thing...

 

[The Clamp]

Liz Truss fell victim to being a f***ing half-wit.

I’m genuinely convinced she has mental health issues.

Fine. We all have our crosses to bear. Don’t put her in charge of anything.

 

[Randy McNob]

I’m genuinely convinced she has mental health issues.

Fine. We all have our crosses to bear. Don’t put her in charge of anything.

Tufton Street stooge, let's hope she's unseated at the election and dissappears without trace

 

[ROSM]

seems unlikely government wouldn't offer an amendment on such an important issue, especially as the motion was worded to go against their policy.

The May govt simply refused to divide the house. They didnt put amendments up. They initially indicated the same on this case. Then changed when labour did put forward an amendment

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Obviously, that had been deleted so the link doesn't work.


This says the same thing.

 

[beorhthelm]

The May govt simply refused to divide the house. They didnt put amendments up. They initially indicated the same on this case. Then changed when labour did put forward an amendment

every opposition motion under May was unopposed? that would be a surprise. all the commentry of proceedings yesturday was highlighting the change of procedure to allow two amendments, not saying the government doing so was against procedure.

 

[keaton]

The Tories only now caring about the legality of Commons behaviour while not raising issues with the vast amounts of lies Ministers have told, illegal prorogation or when policies were leaked to the press prior to be brought there

 

[Guinness Boy]

The whole issue of yesterday is that politicians of all hues were playing games with a serious issue. Some were worse than others.

The snp motion went beyond calling for a ceasefire it aimed to apportion blame. Knowing this would be problematic for both tories and labour. More the latter as the former are shameless.

The tories were not planning to offer an amendment as they saw labour as the only losers in this debate. Labour then did offer an amendement which in normal circs would have been ok. Labour's amendment took blame out and did explain a ceasefire needs work from bot sides and did offer a what next element. Ironically thos is where france, nz, australia and canada alreay are as states national policy and US are moving there too. Should labour have got there quicker? Yes definitely

Tories then offer an amendment as they could see the snp trap has failed. Playing the system as it were.

Hoyle did break convention but he didnt break the rules or indeed precedent. As the letter above explains

Tories then pulled their amendment because they knew they would be subject to a rebellion of their own as many on their party would back the labour position (indeed many in snp do too). Point is their amendment never had the votes and was only put forward to try and stop the labour amendment being debated. That was trying to use the convention for party political games.

But rather than just losing they decided to take their ball home too. Snp then walked out too.

If tories hadnt offered an amendment there wouldn't have been the issue we had yesterday. As for tories ditching Hoyle? He has been ineffective at pmq's so they need to be careful what they wish for as the replacement could be a lot worse for them

This. With the addition that the SNP really didn't need to table a Gaza debate at all. They were moaning themselves that they only get three chances a year, you'd think they'd want the subjects to be Scottish specific with so few opportunities.

I very much doubt that Netanyahu would care a jot about a ceasefire resolution drafted by the global equivalent of a Parish Council. It was simply a desperate governing party in trouble playing politics.

 

[Since1982]

The Tories only now caring about the legality of Commons behaviour while not raising issues with the vast amounts of lies Ministers have told, illegal prorogation or when policies were leaked to the press prior to be brought there

Rank hypocrisy on their part. Their walk out last night was petulant and indicative of a party putting self before country and the suffering in Gaza.

 

[ROSM]

every opposition motion under May was unopposed? that would be a surprise. all the commentry of proceedings yesturday was highlighting the change of procedure to allow two amendments, not saying the government doing so was against procedure.

Due to their wafer thin majority and expectations of losing they simply didnt put forward amendments to opposition motions. In effect making them adjournmemt debates.

Govts dont have to offer amendments. They indicated initially on this they wouldnt. They only did when they realised labours amendment might get significant tory support

Yesterday wasnt against procedure (standing order 31 doesnt preclude it), it also wasnt against precedent (happened before in 92 and 98) but it was against convention

 

[TomandJerry]

A coalition of Ukrainian human rights groups has written to Rishi Sunak, calling on him to “end the impasse” over using funds from the sale of Chelsea to help victims of war in the country.

Nearly two years after Roman Abramovich had sanctions imposed by the United Kingdom, the £2.5bn generated from Chelsea’s sale remains frozen in a UK bank account despite a commitment to use the proceeds for humanitarian purposes. Last month the European affairs committee of the House of Lords said it was “incomprehensible” that the money was untouched.

 

[nicko31]

I’m genuinely convinced she has mental health issues.

Fine. We all have our crosses to bear. Don’t put her in charge of anything.

Yep...

Civil Service full of trans activists sabotaged my leadership, claims Liz Truss

Former PM appears at conservative conference in Washington and tells Republicans she faced ‘huge establishment backlash’

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[A1X]

Yep...

Civil Service full of trans activists sabotaged my leadership, claims Liz Truss

Former PM appears at conservative conference in Washington and tells Republicans she faced ‘huge establishment backlash’

www.telegraph.co.uk

Are you sure that's not a Daily Sport headline?

 

[nicko31]

Are you sure that's not a Daily Sport headline?

Hard to believe the Telegraph was a serious newspaper once, gone the same way as the Tories

 

[The Clamp]

Documents had to be “Truss proofed” to make sure they were simple enough for her to understand before they were handed over to her.

She’s madder and thicker than Mad Mick Thicko McMad pushing a clown car through molasses in a hall of mirrors with a Tesco bag on his head and cabbage stuck in his ears yelling “Slave Girls, 50 bob a lump”! at the Maddest and Thickest world championships held on the same day we voted to Leave the EU.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

"Fringe"?..

I was being polite, the absolute scum chanting from the river to the sea, waving isis flags, wearing paraglider stickers etc during protests.

It's now ok to project from the river to the sea on Big Ben according to the Met Police.

 

[nicko31]

Sunak desperate to try to get something out of this.

Speaker changing 'usual ways of parliament' is 'very concerning', says Rishi Sunak

Housing Secretary Michael Gove appeared to back Sir Lindsay Hoyle at the same time the prime minister criticised him. So far, 65 MPs have signed what is known as an Early Day Motion calling for Sir Lindsay to go.

news.sky.com

 

[nwgull]

I did the staying up thing when Kinnock was expected to win. Young, heart on sleeve, and rather unaware of how economics need to work in those days. I felt heartbroken when it all went tits up.

Now having voted Tory ever since Blair was ousted I will certainly not be doing so this time around. Either Labour or not bother, probably the former as I do like a strong government.

The polls in the 12 months leading upto the 1992 election were much closer though. Labour's lead was somewhere between 0-5% if you took an average of pollsters, and it got closer throughout the campaign, during which you have to say John Major did superbly. Labour have led all polls since November 2021 and if you average them have been in the region of 20% ahead for 17-18 months now. In football terms, Labout are 4-0 up in the 80th and just need to not doing anything silly (whatever the political equivalent of passing it around at the back too much is).

Whatever you do, use your vote.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Yep...

Civil Service full of trans activists sabotaged my leadership, claims Liz Truss

Former PM appears at conservative conference in Washington and tells Republicans she faced ‘huge establishment backlash’

www.telegraph.co.uk

I've just watched a thread of clips from CPAC and it is full of REALLY weird people saying REALLY weird stuff such as loads of people get killed by wind farms, Bill Clinton was the first black US president and Joe Biden is going to take away hamburgers. It's like a cult!