[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[clapham_gull]

Will be interesting looking at NSC in 2025. Will the Labour government get the bile as things haven't got much better?
Based on the usual content nope.

Short memory.

All Governments get grief, but nobody thinks about an alternative until the opposition have sorted themselves out.

It's quite clear what will happen now - it's a repeat of the late 1990s / 2000s.

Tories will get smashed at the next election and in the la la land they currently are convince themselves it was because they weren't "conservative" enough and lurch even further to the right.

After then losing the next election (badly) they will come to their senses and return to their normal historical position of a centre right party and not the scaremongering neo liberal pound shop tea party they have become.

At which point, they may be in state to win an election.

 

[chickens]

Short memory.

All Governments get grief, but nobody thinks about an alternative until the opposition have sorted themselves out.

It's quite clear what will happen now - it's a repeat of the late 1990s / 2000s.

Tories will get smashed at the next election and in the la la land they currently are convince themselves it was because they weren't "conservative" enough and lurch even further to the right.

After then losing the next election (badly) they will come to their senses and return to their normal historical position of a centre right party and not the scaremongering neo liberal pound shop tea party they have become.

At which point, they may be in state to win an election.

That is more or less the outcome I’m expecting too, though I do wonder if the Conservative Party has gone so far this time that the Lib Dem’s become the de facto opposition, they are centre-right, comparatively sane and I’d say offer a more compelling alternative to Labour than the Conservatives do.

Not much we can do about any of it until election time, but the Conservatives have certainly given enough of us a reason to never again vote for them in our lifetimes.

 

[KZNSeagull]

At least we haven't got to this level of politics. Yet:

Argentina election: Javier Milei, TikTok economist, leads polls

Can a former TV personality who's vowed to blow up Argentina's central bank win Sunday's elections?

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I rest my case.
Tories have been awful agreed but Labour will never be called a bunch of ****s on NSC. No matter what.

I have called Corbyn that, and worse.

But....he is now history.

Hopefully the present bunch of ****s running the show will be, soon.

 

[aolstudios]

I have called Corbyn that, and worse.

But....he is now history.

Hopefully the present bunch of ****s running the show will be, soon.

Agreed. All of that ^

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

That is more or less the outcome I’m expecting too, though I do wonder if the Conservative Party has gone so far this time that the Lib Dem’s become the de facto opposition, they are centre-right, comparatively sane and I’d say offer a more compelling alternative to Labour than the Conservatives do.

Not much we can do about any of it until election time, but the Conservatives have certainly given enough of us a reason to never again vote for them in our lifetimes.

Yes, the old school tories, that stood for fair play and decency, seem to have completely been replaced by shifty chancers, public school gadflies, and gaslighting neo-liberals. Their primary objective is to be in control, and their policies are largely designed with only that in mind. I appreciate that you can't achieve anything unless you win power, but if you win power on the back of nothing more than a load of made-up shite, and allow the neo-liberals to insert some of their madcap aspirations, then you have nothing real to pursue as policy- no principles, no vision, and no f***ing hope of getting anything done when in power. We have spent the last 13 years watching the UK go slowly down the plug hole, while the ****s 'in charge' watch the water going round and round, scum floating to the top, while sipping gin and tonics and counting their money.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I have called Corbyn that, and worse.

But....he is now history.

Hopefully the present bunch of ****s running the show will be, soon.

I don’t understand people selecting a political party to vote for like a football team. Supporting them no matter how bad they get!
I’ve voted Conservative, Liberal (LibDem) and Labour throughout my life, depending on candidate and policies.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Yes, the old school tories, that stood for fair play and decency, seem to have completely been replaced by shifty chancers, public school gadflies, and gaslighting neo-liberals. Their primary objective is to be in control, and their policies are largely designed with only that in mind. I appreciate that you can't achieve anything unless you win power, but if you win power on the back of nothing more than a load of made-up shite, and allow the neo-liberals to insert some of their madcap aspirations, then you have nothing real to pursue as policy- no principles, no vision, and no f***ing hope of getting anything done when in power. We have spent the last 13 years watching the UK go slowly down the plug hole, while the ****s 'in charge' watch the water going round and round, scum floating to the top, while sipping gin and tonics and counting their money.

The richest 1% in the UK own more wealth than 70% of the rest of the population put together, (Oxfam)and thanks to nondom newspaper owners, who pay no tax, in this country, the propaganda continue.

 

[Bodian]

I don’t understand people selecting a political party to vote for like a football team. Supporting them no matter how bad they get!
I’ve voted Conservative, Liberal (LibDem) and Labour throughout my life, depending on candidate and policies.

I agree.

But Liberal (LibDem), Labour, Green and Independent for me. I can't see how I could ever bring myself to vote Conservative - because I cannot think of a single policy of theirs that I have ever thought 'I like that - that's worth my vote'. I did almost once think about it in a District Council election - as the candidate himself was a really nice chap. I did actually ask him whether he was 'really' a Tory given his views. If it had been a foregone conclusion district-wide I might have done - but, as it was a very close election overall - I couldn't bring myself to do so because it may just have meant the difference in having them in control or not.

 

[Nobby]

Let’s see.

All they’ll have to do is end peace in Northern Ireland, party through a major pandemic against their own rules, come up with a hair brained and illegal schene to move migrants to Africa, double the cost of everything, go through three leaders unelected by the population and have half the country on strike.

Should be a doddle.

Post of the week

 

[A1X]

At least we haven't got to this level of politics. Yet:

Argentina election: Javier Milei, TikTok economist, leads polls

Can a former TV personality who's vowed to blow up Argentina's central bank win Sunday's elections?

www.bbc.co.uk

To be fair, he’s the most normal man in Latin American politics

 

[Nobby]

The Conservatives have constantly improved their share of the vote since 1997.
Every single election.

In 2015, it was at the expense of the Liberal Democrats popularity falling off the proverbial cliff. SNP and Brexit parties improved, but still the Tory share increased as did Labour's marginally.

In 2017, Corbyn provided a sharp shock, taking share from UKIP etc, but the Tories still improved, despite May.

In 2019, Flopsie's Get Brexit Done meant a big fall off in Labour support to the Tories and the Liberals, a combination of the reduced Corbyn effect (that had been successful two short years earlier), and a one off Flopsy slogan.

So, I think that we are now in somewhat uncharted territory with the next election.
Where will SNP votes go?
Will Liberal support return to pre 2010 levels?
What happened to the UKIP, Bexit party support? is it still with the Tories?

And will the Tories support fall away more than it did in 97. We need a bigger swing than 97, (the worst performance in their history), to see them out

Please God

 

[Thunder Bolt]

 

[maltaseagull]

I have called Corbyn that, and worse.

But....he is now history.

Hopefully the present bunch of ****s running the show will be, soon.

Note for diary.
Follow HWT's posts next time Labour are in charge.

 

[sparkie]

Will be interesting looking at NSC in 2025. Will the Labour government get the bile as things haven't got much better?
Based on the usual content nope.

It depends. If they haven't made any moves towards discussing joining the EU Single Market, I'll be *seething*.

Lol.

 

[Simster]

Let’s see.

All they’ll have to do is end peace in Northern Ireland, party through a major pandemic against their own rules, come up with a hair brained and illegal schene to move migrants to Africa, double the cost of everything, go through three leaders unelected by the population and have half the country on strike.

Should be a doddle.

But first of all, Labour should unite their party.
And if that means dividing the electorate and damaging the country in doing so by asking an ill informed electorate to vote on a referendum based on lies, then that is clearly a price worth paying.

 

[rogersix]

Note for diary.
Follow HWT's posts next time Labour are in charge.

have you voted tory in every election?

 

[maltaseagull]

have you voted tory in every election?

I cannot vote but when I did I voted for all 3 at different elections unlike some on here who are so loyal to their party regardless.
My point is that the Labour supporters Hate the tories with a venom whereas the supporters of other parties just don't agree.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Edit - wrong thread

 

[rogersix]

I cannot vote but when I did I voted for all 3 at different elections unlike some on here who are so loyal to their party regardless.
My point is that the Labour supporters Hate the tories with a venom whereas the supporters of other parties just don't agree.

what motivated you to vote against the tories?