[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Thunder Bolt]

Going back to Andrew Cooper, this is his WAG. Tears before bedtime.

 

[andyrevell]

 

[AK74]

worst Apprentice candidate ever.

 

[Hotchilidog]

The public want the tories out. That we still have another year of this lame duck government is utterly infuriating. Sunak couldn't win a raffle in which he held the only ticket. A lazy, corrupt and throughly superficial non-entity, Rishi has no mandate from the public to govern at all.

NGL I have very low hopes for the next government but I do at least think they may respond to constructive criticism when faced with the loss of votes that got them into power. This current government simply do not care, who knows what further damage they can do in the next 13 months.

 

[nicko31]

The public want the tories out. That we still have another year of this lame duck government is utterly infuriating. Sunak couldn't win a raffle in which he held the only ticket. A lazy, corrupt and throughly superficial non-entity, Rishi has no mandate from the public to govern at all.

NGL I have very low hopes for the next government but I do at least think they may respond to constructive criticism when faced with the loss of votes that got them into power. This current government simply do not care, who knows what further damage they can do in the next 13 months.

They're going for scorched earth policy, screw and country and fill ya boots while you can chaps

 

[Hotchilidog]

They're going for scorched earth policy, screw and country and fill ya boots while you can chaps

Yep. That is exactly what they are doing.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

They're going for scorched earth policy, screw and country and fill ya boots while you can chaps

Their answer at the moment is to blame Sunak.

 

[abc]

I hope he doesn't. Sunak can stretch out the election call for another 12 months and anything could happen in that time. We'll need clever, nuanced positions on the Middle East, Ukraine, the economy and Brexit for a start. All of those things are currently fluctuating on an almost day by day basis. I'm sure that a general position can be taken by Labour, indeed it's doing that right now, but manifesto level commitments must wait until the election is called. Despite these landslide results, it's still Labour's job to oppose and the Tories' job to govern.

I can tell you what WON'T be in the manifesto though. There won't be a 'meat tax', a 'war on motorists' or a compulsion to keep seven different bins.

Fair comment. There are so many global factors - Ukraine, Israel, Brexit, OPEC, Trump (god forbid), Covid etc that Labour are going to have a very hard job without having to also address our numerous domestic issues and divisions. Expectations will be high but perhaps we should settle for some integrity and honesty in politics and be grateful for that as a starting point.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Fair comment. There are so many global factors - Ukraine, Israel, Brexit, OPEC, Trump (god forbid), Covid etc that Labour are going to have a very hard job without having to also address our numerous domestic issues and divisions. Expectations will be high but perhaps we should settle for some integrity and honesty in politics and be grateful for that as a starting point.

Yep, absolutely,

 

[Audax]

Peter Boneo is also at risk now - our local upstanding member

I haven't seen any reporting of the allegations that suggest he managed that...

 

[Thunder Bolt]

And now to hear from Colin in Portsmouth.

 

[Nobby]

I haven't seen any reporting of the allegations that suggest he managed that...

Apologies, you're right

Must be a struggle for him - with a wife a mistress and a head like a balloon

 

[JBizzle]

What's interesting is that in becoming so fervently right wing that the Tory party has lost the historically Tory voting moderates.

They won votes from hard-right groups like UKIP, Reform and BF because they sold themselves as the party of nationalist, hardline, anti-immigration Brexiteers, however, what's happened is that it's drawn those people out of their dank, miserable cave-dwellings and made them braver and more proud of their (in some case terrifying) views. They're now at a point where they're confident enough to see the Tories as not-far-enough-right, so have returned to their basest roots, voting for BF and the like.

At the same time, in their focus on becoming more or a far(ish) right party, they've lost the voters that were fiscally conservative, or centre-right conservative who may well see themselves as politically homeless, hence the massive absence of voters in these by-elections.

The Tory party now has a decision to make: Keep ploughing this ever-further right agenda (without going full fascist, yet) or returning to a more Cameron-esque position. The problem is, all those more sane MPs have been replaced by swivel-eyes goons like 50p Lee, Suella Deville and Kemi Bad-enoch-Powell.

Good luck solving that problem, Rish

 

[Randy McNob]

What's interesting is that in becoming so fervently right wing that the Tory party has lost the historically Tory voting moderates.

They won votes from hard-right groups like UKIP, Reform and BF because they sold themselves as the party of nationalist, hardline, anti-immigration Brexiteers, however, what's happened is that it's drawn those people out of their dank, miserable cave-dwellings and made them braver and more proud of their (in some case terrifying) views. They're now at a point where they're confident enough to see the Tories as not-far-enough-right, so have returned to their basest roots, voting for BF and the like.

At the same time, in their focus on becoming more or a far(ish) right party, they've lost the voters that were fiscally conservative, or centre-right conservative who may well see themselves as politically homeless, hence the massive absence of voters in these by-elections.

The Tory party now has a decision to make: Keep ploughing this ever-further right agenda (without going full fascist, yet) or returning to a more Cameron-esque position. The problem is, all those more sane MPs have been replaced by swivel-eyes goons like 50p Lee, Suella Deville and Kemi Bad-enoch-Powell.

Good luck solving that problem, Rish

another issue for the cons is the potential of alot of defections, no such thing as a safe seat anymore

 

[Peteinblack]

What's interesting is that in becoming so fervently right wing that the Tory party has lost the historically Tory voting moderates.

They won votes from hard-right groups like UKIP, Reform and BF because they sold themselves as the party of nationalist, hardline, anti-immigration Brexiteers, however, what's happened is that it's drawn those people out of their dank, miserable cave-dwellings and made them braver and more proud of their (in some case terrifying) views. They're now at a point where they're confident enough to see the Tories as not-far-enough-right, so have returned to their basest roots, voting for BF and the like.

At the same time, in their focus on becoming more or a far(ish) right party, they've lost the voters that were fiscally conservative, or centre-right conservative who may well see themselves as politically homeless, hence the massive absence of voters in these by-elections.

The Tory party now has a decision to make: Keep ploughing this ever-further right agenda (without going full fascist, yet) or returning to a more Cameron-esque position. The problem is, all those more sane MPs have been replaced by swivel-eyes goons like 50p Lee, Suella Deville and Kemi Bad-enoch-Powell.

Good luck solving that problem, Rish

 

[aolstudios]

What's interesting is that in becoming so fervently right wing that the Tory party has lost the historically Tory voting moderates.

They won votes from hard-right groups like UKIP, Reform and BF because they sold themselves as the party of nationalist, hardline, anti-immigration Brexiteers, however, what's happened is that it's drawn those people out of their dank, miserable cave-dwellings and made them braver and more proud of their (in some case terrifying) views. They're now at a point where they're confident enough to see the Tories as not-far-enough-right, so have returned to their basest roots, voting for BF and the like.

At the same time, in their focus on becoming more or a far(ish) right party, they've lost the voters that were fiscally conservative, or centre-right conservative who may well see themselves as politically homeless, hence the massive absence of voters in these by-elections.

The Tory party now has a decision to make: Keep ploughing this ever-further right agenda (without going full fascist, yet) or returning to a more Cameron-esque position. The problem is, all those more sane MPs have been replaced by swivel-eyes goons like 50p Lee, Suella Deville and Kemi Bad-enoch-Powell.

Good luck solving that problem, Rish

A lot of echoes of Jezza's labour there ^

 

[clapham_gull]

A lot of echoes of Jezza's labour there ^

Very and both attacked internally and externally for not being extreme/radical (delete where appropriate) enough.

 

[jcdenton08]

What's interesting is that in becoming so fervently right wing that the Tory party has lost the historically Tory voting moderates.

They won votes from hard-right groups like UKIP, Reform and BF because they sold themselves as the party of nationalist, hardline, anti-immigration Brexiteers, however, what's happened is that it's drawn those people out of their dank, miserable cave-dwellings and made them braver and more proud of their (in some case terrifying) views. They're now at a point where they're confident enough to see the Tories as not-far-enough-right, so have returned to their basest roots, voting for BF and the like.

At the same time, in their focus on becoming more or a far(ish) right party, they've lost the voters that were fiscally conservative, or centre-right conservative who may well see themselves as politically homeless, hence the massive absence of voters in these by-elections.

The Tory party now has a decision to make: Keep ploughing this ever-further right agenda (without going full fascist, yet) or returning to a more Cameron-esque position. The problem is, all those more sane MPs have been replaced by swivel-eyes goons like 50p Lee, Suella Deville and Kemi Bad-enoch-Powell.

Good luck solving that problem, Rish

Absolutely spot on and yes, as said above, echoes of Corbyn. Tories are absolutely screwed. Good!!!

 

[jcdenton08]

 

[Pevenseagull]

What's interesting is that in becoming so fervently right wing that the Tory party has lost the historically Tory voting moderates.

They won votes from hard-right groups like UKIP, Reform and BF because they sold themselves as the party of nationalist, hardline, anti-immigration Brexiteers, however, what's happened is that it's drawn those people out of their dank, miserable cave-dwellings and made them braver and more proud of their (in some case terrifying) views. They're now at a point where they're confident enough to see the Tories as not-far-enough-right, so have returned to their basest roots, voting for BF and the like.

At the same time, in their focus on becoming more or a far(ish) right party, they've lost the voters that were fiscally conservative, or centre-right conservative who may well see themselves as politically homeless, hence the massive absence of voters in these by-elections.

The Tory party now has a decision to make: Keep ploughing this ever-further right agenda (without going full fascist, yet) or returning to a more Cameron-esque position. The problem is, all those more sane MPs have been replaced by swivel-eyes goons like 50p Lee, Suella Deville and Kemi Bad-enoch-Powell.

Good luck solving that problem, Rish

Bloody inflation



( Superb post BTW. )