[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Thunder Bolt]

Are there any other healthcare systems apart from the UK and the USA? It seems to be a general assumption that there are no alternatives to the NHS, the system that used to be called the "envy of the world", other than the US model. Surely other countries, perhaps those in the beloved EU, have healthcare systems that we could investigate?

There are indeed, but look at what is actually happening and who, in government, has shares in medical insurance. Why was health data being included in trade talks?

 

[Gwylan]

I associate Labour with Arthur Scargill and his bunch of idiots and always will.

That will be the Scargill who stood against the Labour Party candidate in 1997 and 2001

 

[Thunder Bolt]

 

[The Clamp]

Thankfully Braverman’s borderline fascist speech, given to a right wing cohort in the US and intended for the ears of the permanently dimwitted in the U.K. has been almost universally derided by anyone with a passing interest in intelligence.

 

[chickens]

Are there any other healthcare systems apart from the UK and the USA? It seems to be a general assumption that there are no alternatives to the NHS, the system that used to be called the "envy of the world", other than the US model. Surely other countries, perhaps those in the beloved EU, have healthcare systems that we could investigate?

There are and we should, but it’s US healthcare companies that have been lobbying and fighting their way in to what they believe to be a lucrative untapped market over decades, so it would undoubtedly be a US style system we ended up with. It’s dreadful and inhumane and people die in pain and debt because of it.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Thankfully Braverman’s borderline fascist speech, given to a right wing cohort in the US and intended for the ears of the permanently dimwitted in the U.K. has been almost universally derided by anyone with a passing interest in intelligence.

Several gay Tory MPs have apparently spoken to the Chief Whip about her.

 

[The Clamp]

Several gay Tory MPs have apparently spoken to the Chief Whip about her.

Good. It has not been well received by many influential factions in the Tory party.

A misjudged speech designed to appeal to the far right sector of the electorate.

A tactic that only ever results in misadventure. See the 2016 Brexit referendum, brought about by Cameron seeing to appease the right and resulting in our exit from the EU. An act that has failed by every single measure that it’s been held up to.

 

[A1X]

 

[Scappa]

Good. It has not been well received by many influential factions in the Tory party.

A misjudged speech designed to appeal to the far right sector of the electorate.

A tactic that only ever results in misadventure. See the 2016 Brexit referendum, brought about by Cameron seeing to appease the right and resulting in our exit from the EU. An act that has failed by every single measure that it’s been held up to.

You mean one can get on a bus and still hear people speaking in Polish?! Give us back our old fashioned lightbulbs instead of these WOKE energy efficient ones those BASTARDS in BRUSSELS are FORCING us to use

 

[Dick Swiveller]

Sunak is being shredded by Laura K and just keeps talking over her. Way, way out of his depth as someone to BS to her questions. Surely that is the one quality you need?

 

[Hugo Rune]

Sunak is being shredded by Laura K and just keeps talking over her. Way, way out of his depth as someone to BS to her questions. Surely that is the one quality you need?

There is a war on don’t you know?

The “war on motorists”.

Rishi is going to help the nastiest, thickest c***s in our society drive at more than 20mph with gas guzzling non-ULEZ compliant cars in built up residential areas. This appears to be his flagship policy/gas lighting escapade. If these Tories don’t run your kids over, they’ll make them sick with respiratory diseases all the time reminding their most selfish supporters that JSO are the real enemy of the people.

 

[Lyndhurst 14]

There is a war on don’t you know?

The “war on motorists”.

Rishi is going to help the nastiest, thickest c***s in our society drive at more than 20mph with gas guzzling non-ULEZ compliant cars in built up residential areas. This appears to be his flagship policy/gas lighting escapade. If these Tories don’t run your kids over, they’ll make them sick with respiratory diseases all the time reminding their most selfish supporters that JSO are the real enemy of the people.

Yes, the smoke and mirrors campaign is only just beginning - and a lot of the electorate will buy it. He's probably asked Kate and William if they could pop out another sprog so we can get the bunting out and forget about more pressing matters.

 

[Nobby]

Are there any other healthcare systems apart from the UK and the USA? It seems to be a general assumption that there are no alternatives to the NHS, the system that used to be called the "envy of the world", other than the US model. Surely other countries, perhaps those in the beloved EU, have healthcare systems that we could investigate?

Yes yes there are - but the NHS was sold to me as a free service, my whole life I always assumed that the NHS would look after me and my family. That’s what I paid taxes for
Are you saying you would move to the US model?
If ever one of my kids was Ill on holiday in Europe, the service we received was just amazing. Didn’t have to wait 24 hours in an overcrowded A and E
Your problem is that you’ve been levelled down so much you forgot what to expect from this wonderful country of ours.
Your wonderful Tories have done this to us
Or maybe Burnley is now a beautiful sunny utopia in the UK and you haven’t noticed what the rest of us have to put up with.

Sheesh. Honestly Das - think

 

[WATFORD zero]

Yes yes there are - but the NHS was sold to me as a free service, my whole life I always assumed that the NHS would look after me and my family. That’s what I paid taxes for
Are you saying you would move to the US model?
If ever one of my kids was Ill on holiday in Europe, the service we received was just amazing. Didn’t have to wait 24 hours in an overcrowded A and E
Your problem is that you’ve been levelled down so much you forgot what to expect from this wonderful country of ours.
Your wonderful Tories have done this to us
Or maybe Burnley is now a beautiful sunny utopia in the UK and you haven’t noticed what the rest of us have to put up with.

Sheesh. Honestly Das - think

The unbelievably wealthy targeting the votes of the bigoted, naïve and poor. That'll never work ................. oh

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

So essentially you want British people to pay millions of pounds to US Healthcare service for worse services. And that's your priority in life?

That's always the go to line

"You want a US healthcare service" which is absolutely shite

I'd quite like a German one instead thanks, many options between NHS and USA options.

Till we take the emotion out of the discussion, the health care will never improve here.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

That's always the go to line

"You want a US healthcare service" which is absolutely shite

I'd quite like a German one instead thanks, many options between NHS and USA options.

Till we take the emotion out of the discussion, the health care will never improve here.

The reason the US healthcare is mentioned so often on this thread, is that there is plenty of evidence that it is exactly what the Conservatives are doing.
Health data has already been sold to insurance companies, current MPs are accepting donations from the same, and they were gutted Trump was defeated because it was in the trade deal with the USA.

The French have a good hybrid system where 70% is State paid but from first hand knowledge there is a chronic shortage of doctors and dentists, there too.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

The reason the US healthcare is mentioned so often on this thread, is that there is plenty of evidence that it is exactly what the Conservatives are doing.
Health data has already been sold to insurance companies, current MPs are accepting donations from the same, and they were gutted Trump was defeated because it was in the trade deal with the USA.

The French have a good hybrid system where 70% is State paid but from first hand knowledge there is a chronic shortage of doctors and dentists, there too.

There isn't evidence they are doing it, im sure some would love to do it, but they won't because they know it will be suicide.

It's likely Labour will be in power next year, they have also called for reforms rather than more money

 

[keaton]

That's always the go to line

"You want a US healthcare service" which is absolutely shite

I'd quite like a German one instead thanks, many options between NHS and USA options.

Till we take the emotion out of the discussion, the health care will never improve here.

It's nothing to do with emotion it's to with what's been happening for the last ten years.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

It's nothing to do with emotion it's to with what's been happening for the last ten years.

It's absolutely to do with emotion, we can't touch the NHS because it's "the best in the world" it's not, it's nowhere near the best and it's certainly nothing to be proud of, the service and not some of the staff of course.
Is there any other major nation that has the same sort of healthcare system?

Healthcare needs to be taken out of politics and looked after by an independent body.

 

[mikeyjh]

Sunak is being shredded by Laura K and just keeps talking over her. Way, way out of his depth as someone to BS to her questions. Surely that is the one quality you need?

It was quite remarkable - He's not going to 'speculate' on whether or not HS2 to Manchester will happen - It's not speculation if it's your decision you thick tw@t.

He also mentioned the 'uprising' in Wales over the default 20mph limit like it was the civil rights movement in 1960s US rather than what it actually is. A few morons who find driving so difficult that apparently none of their cars have a gear that allow them to drive at 20.