[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Machiavelli]

I've got a theory about Sunak and HS2. My theory is that he's going to complete it all the way to Manchester and there was never an intention not to.

However, knowing he has a massive keynote speech coming up in Manchester and a record in government you could compare to Derby County's in the PL in 2008/09, he knows he needs to say something to get a standing ovation, before the next election.

So what he's done is leak to his favoured journalists the news that there was a prospect of abandoning the Manc leg, then along comes Rishi on his white charger and saves the day.

In exactly the same way of course that he saved us from compulsory car sharing and taxation on meat.

Please someone bounce this with some kind comment about my extraordinary powers of perception if my little theory is right, but maybe don't if it turns out to be complete bollocks.

There's one massive problem with this theory: those in the room for his party conference speech will be members of his party, and they're not going to give a standing ovation. If he delivered it to Mancunians he might, but he wouldn't because -- as has been pointed out a few posts back -- many of them are working class.

 

[Bodian]

* - Why do so many northerners have to self aggrandise about Northern stereotypes in all circumstances? Being straight-talking is not a northern / southern divide, its predominately a working class / middle class divide. So many seem to love perpetuating the myth that everybody in the north of England is a horny handed son of the soil and that everybody south of Watford lives in a fantasy London where even the binmen went to Eton.

I've lived in the north since 1997 - and have a reputation amongst my 'northern' colleagues for speaking my mind, not beating about the bush, not being afraid to challenge and so on. All supposedly 'northern' characteristics.

I'd probably categorise myself / my family as middle-class as well - so even that divide falls away!

 

[Tubby Mondays]

I've got a theory about Sunak and HS2. My theory is that he's going to complete it all the way to Manchester and there was never an intention not to.

However, knowing he has a massive keynote speech coming up in Manchester and a record in government you could compare to Derby County's in the PL in 2008/09, he knows he needs to say something to get a standing ovation, before the next election.

So what he's done is leak to his favoured journalists the news that there was a prospect of abandoning the Manc leg, then along comes Rishi on his white charger and saves the day.

In exactly the same way of course that he saved us from compulsory car sharing and taxation on meat.

Please someone bounce this with some kind comment about my extraordinary powers of perception if my little theory is right, but maybe don't if it turns out to be complete bollocks.

Were Derby in the PL in 2008/09?

 

[A1X]

I think the alarming truth to this is that if a journalist goes in with a two footed tackle of a questioning line, they simply don't get invited to do another interview. They need to strike the balance between looking tough and getting another interview this time next week.

The fact that only headlines or snippets are played out also doesn't encourage reasoned debate

Exactly this. The only way to avoid that is to rise high enough up the tree to be someone who simply can't be ignored (Paxman / Maitlis / Guru-Murthy etc.)

 

[Nobby]

Yep. So even my sop to the gammon was a fake sop.

Some nasty bat phoned 606 the other day moaning that in her job she was paid per client and if 'they don't speak English' she didn't get paid. Unfortunately this went unchallenged. She later revealed that the only politician with any good 'solutions' is Nigel Something.

I am tired and bored of gormless lying racists.

I fear that there are a lot of them about. Hopefully not enough to make a difference this time.
It’s scary sitting on public transport watching others reading Sun, Mail and Express headlines which promote agendas of hate. 4 million readers being told what to think is still a lot of our voting public. At least circulation numbers are reducing generally
What the hell happened to this country. Has it always been this way.
And are there enough decent folk around to get rid of the racists?

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

I fear that there are a lot of them about. Hopefully not enough to make a difference this time.
It’s scary sitting on public transport watching others reading Sun, Mail and Express headlines which promote agendas of hate. 4 million readers being told what to think is still a lot of our voting public. At least circulation numbers are reducing generally
What the hell happened to this country. Has it always been this way.
And are there enough decent folk around to get rid of the racists?

I think the happy answer is yes. But they've got to get out and vote and they've got to exercise the discipline to vote tactically when necessary.

The UK and the US are the same, when the sensible people are riled to action, the loons find they don't have the numbers. Not quite

 

[chickens]

I think the happy answer is yes. But they've got to get out and vote and they've got to exercise the discipline to vote tactically when necessary.

The UK and the US are the same, when the sensible people are riled to action, the loons find they don't have the numbers. Not quite

I hope you’re right. Brexit + thirteen years of this brand of Conservatism has shaken my faith.

 

[Si Gull]

Braverman’s claim about ethnicity of grooming gangs was false, regulator rules

Mail on Sunday issues correction over opinion piece by home secretary claiming ‘almost all’ child grooming gangs were British-Pakistani

www.theguardian.com

Braverman stirring up racial hatred by making false claims in a 'newspaper' comment piece.

Will she face consequences?

Will she f***. How she is still home secretary is beyond any rational explanation.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

And now he has been

And now sacked by the Daily Mail.

 

[A1X]

And now sacked by the Daily Mail.

Imagine being so toxic and obnoxious even the Mail won't touch you

 

[nicko31]

Imagine being so toxic and obnoxious even the Mail won't touch you

They are so woke these days, sickening

 

[Brovion]

You'd think so, but the voting system and media ownership is so stacked in their favour that they might just get back in 2030 or whatever simply because they're not Labour.

Unfortunately, in the last 13 years so much damage has been done by legislation, a lot of which hasn’t even been report by client journalists, Labour will need more than 5 years to sort it out.
Imo, the best thing Labour could do, is bring in PR, so no party ever gets a huge majority again. Then they can start to get us onto an even keel. I think they will reject it and we will lurch again.

Sadly I think both of you are correct. Labour can't wave a magic wand and make everything better; it will be a long hard journey with difficult decisions, and they're bound to make mistakes. Come 2029/2030 when the memory of the sheer awfulness of Truss and Johnson has dimmed a bit enough people with short memories will say "Labour are useless, let's get the Tories back."

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

They are so woke these days, sickening

I can't stand seeing this kind of cancel culture

 

[Thunder Bolt]

A cowardly Tory MP will send a text to a journalist/broadcaster but not have the moral courage to say it publicly.

 

[goldstone]

I have always votes Conservative except for a couple of times recently when I voted for Mr Farage to ensure that Brexit got done. Now however I find it very hard to consider voting Conservative again for many reasons. On the other hand what alternatives are there? Labour? Never in a million years. Lib-Dem? No chance? Green? Never. So maybe I'll have to hope that Rishi will indeed change things in the Conservative Party and once again vote blue.

 

[Machiavelli]

I have always votes Conservative except for a couple of times recently when I voted for Mr Farage to ensure that Brexit got done. Now however I find it very hard to consider voting Conservative again for many reasons. On the other hand what alternatives are there? Labour? Never in a million years. Lib-Dem? No chance? Green? Never. So maybe I'll have to hope that Rishi will indeed change things in the Conservative Party and once again vote blue.

Chances are that there will be an 'independent' standing that has views closer to yours, or there's even Reform UK if you want to join the exodus.

 

[Simster]

I have always votes Conservative except for a couple of times recently when I voted for Mr Farage to ensure that Brexit got done. Now however I find it very hard to consider voting Conservative again for many reasons. On the other hand what alternatives are there? Labour? Never in a million years. Lib-Dem? No chance? Green? Never. So maybe I'll have to hope that Rishi will indeed change things in the Conservative Party and once again vote blue.

Couldn't you vote reclaim or reform with all the other hard of thinking perma-angry gimps?

 

[goldstone]

Chances are that there will be an 'independent' standing that has views closer to yours, or there's even Reform UK if you want to join the exodus.

Reform UK is indeed an option as long as a vote for them doesn't let Labour into No 10.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Given the ridiculous things I said when I was 21, i'll give him a pass at that. I'll also give him a pass, that he became PM for status and vanity rather than to increase his or his families wealth.

But the pot holes comments is just further causes me to sink deeper into despair. Just say the truth. Just say ....

A) we're doing it
B) we're not doing it
C) we're not sure, we're reviewing it, we'll let you know on X date

The constantly talking about something else when you're asked a question is infuriating

But whatabout Jeremy Corbyn?

 

[Machiavelli]

Reform UK is indeed an option as long as a vote for them doesn't let Labour into No 10.

What's your constituency?