[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Bodian]

The thread from George Grylls contains questions submitted to Johnson as part of the inquiry. This one stands out.

He'll just brush all those off with bluster, or weaselly words such as 'doing the best we could with the evidence we had' and so on.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

seems highly unlikely policy or any official decision are decided in Whatsapp, as you say it'll be the disucssions around them. bit like phone calls and chats in the corridor, but committed to text so available. pity the poor sods that will have to trawl through inane ramblings of politicans, low signal to noise and many contradictions with minuted meetings.

Of course they used WhatsApp. How else could they shaft the country? Need to keep the shafting private. What the official channels don’t know can’t be used against Boris and rest of the fuckwits.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

My guess is they would much rather be prosecuted for withholding evidence than have whatever is in those messages made public.

They can keep denying they did anything wrong and claim miscarriage of justice as long as those messages stay hidden.

The problem is that only works if you stay in power. As soon as you are gone then the new government will simply order a new investigation with a much wider remit. This won’t go away. I think I may well invest in popcorn suppliers….

 

[Thunder Bolt]

 

[sparkie]

When we were in the middle of the COVID pandemic, the Government said now is not the time to investigate, we need to concentrate on the Pandemic. If you wanted to question the Government's response to COVID, we even had a special area on NSC for you to post.

So the Government sets up an independent enquiry to investigate claims of wrongdoing throughout the COVID pandemic after it has ended.

The Independent enquiry requests evidence in order to fully investigate the claims of wrongdoing.

The Government takes their own independent enquiry to court to stop them getting the evidence needed to investigate the claims.

A lot of people are, and have always been very justifiably, extremely angry about what has happened, and I really am very sorry, but I think this country is getting exactly what the majority wanted and, as a result, deserves

I don't think the majority of the electorate voted for this terrible Government - so NOT really what they wanted ( or deserve ) ?

 

[dsr-burnley]

The problem is that only works if you stay in power. As soon as you are gone then the new government will simply order a new investigation with a much wider remit. This won’t go away. I think I may well invest in popcorn suppliers….

I don't think any investigation could have a wider remit. They are able to demand anything and everyone from anybody, as far as I can see. If they can demand copies of all private messages from the PM, they can demand anything.

The main purpose of this enquiry ought to be to focus on what went wrong, and how to do it right next time. What actually is the purpose of this request for all government and private messages sent by and received by Johnson? I've seen it said that it is because they want to nail him for not strictly following the rules on 17 separate occasions, but also because they think he might have been a bit distracted by other issues and wasn't concentrating hard enough on covid. Neither seems really relevant as to whether the correct decisions were made.

 

[The Clamp]

I don't think any investigation could have a wider remit. They are able to demand anything and everyone from anybody, as far as I can see. If they can demand copies of all private messages from the PM, they can demand anything.

The main purpose of this enquiry ought to be to focus on what went wrong, and how to do it right next time. What actually is the purpose of this request for all government and private messages sent by and received by Johnson? I've seen it said that it is because they want to nail him for not strictly following the rules on 17 separate occasions, but also because they think he might have been a bit distracted by other issues and wasn't concentrating hard enough on covid. Neither seems really relevant as to whether the correct decisions were made.

The government broke the laws they made.

We need to determine to what extent so we can learn from it and make sure any future government, during any future pandemic doesn’t make the same deliberate mistakes that these law breaking, lying, corrupt, unempathetic, unsympathetic, selfish, self obsessed, cruel, one rule for them and another for us, steeped in sleaze, f***ing arseholes did.

That’s my take on it anyway.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I don't think any investigation could have a wider remit. They are able to demand anything and everyone from anybody, as far as I can see. If they can demand copies of all private messages from the PM, they can demand anything.

The main purpose of this enquiry ought to be to focus on what went wrong, and how to do it right next time. What actually is the purpose of this request for all government and private messages sent by and received by Johnson? I've seen it said that it is because they want to nail him for not strictly following the rules on 17 separate occasions, but also because they think he might have been a bit distracted by other issues and wasn't concentrating hard enough on covid. Neither seems really relevant as to whether the correct decisions were made.

This isn’t the party enquiry. That’s already been done and we’re still waiting for the results.


This is a separate enquiry about ignoring Operation Cygnus in 2016, about allowing old people in hospital to go into care homes, untested, looking into the PPE fast lane, where established PPE suppliers were ignore, but Hancock’s mate down the pub were given millions of pounds for useless PPE, which is still costing the taxpayer millions to store it, and dispose of.
Why were Dido Harding and Michelle Mone given billions?

Over 200,000 people died, and we need to know whether the government handled it well or were merely distracted!

 

[rogersix]

I don't think any investigation could have a wider remit. They are able to demand anything and everyone from anybody, as far as I can see. If they can demand copies of all private messages from the PM, they can demand anything.

The main purpose of this enquiry ought to be to focus on what went wrong, and how to do it right next time. What actually is the purpose of this request for all government and private messages sent by and received by Johnson? I've seen it said that it is because they want to nail him for not strictly following the rules on 17 separate occasions, but also because they think he might have been a bit distracted by other issues and wasn't concentrating hard enough on covid. Neither seems really relevant as to whether the correct decisions were made.

you don't really believe that, surely?

 

[Stat Brother]

I don't think the majority of the electorate voted for this terrible Government - so NOT really what they wanted ( or deserve ) ?

Yes they did.
The electorate knew exactly what kind of government it would get, under Johnson, he'd been a TV 'personality' for years before hand.

The opposition knew exactly what we'd get and yet inexplicably still put forward the only man who could possibly let it happen.

 

[sparkie]

It'd be good to see all the communications about that Eat Out to Die Out scheme.

Just so we know.

 

[rogersix]

It'd be good to see all the communications about that Eat Out to Die Out scheme.

Just so we know.

And the old folks, did he really say, "let the bodies pile high"?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Yes they did.
The electorate knew exactly what kind of government it would get, under Johnson, he'd been a TV 'personality' for years before hand.

The opposition knew exactly what we'd get and yet inexplicably still put forward the only man who could possibly let it happen.

The key word is majority.
With the FPTP system, the majority didn’t vote for the Tories or Cons.

 

[A1X]

It'd be good to see all the communications about that Eat Out to Die Out scheme.

Just so we know.

Given which Minister at the time developed it, and what job they now have, it’s pretty obvious this won’t be allowed to happen.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Burner phones, WhatsApp messages etc were all known in 2019 before Covid hit. This is an article about trying to stop the prorogation of Parliament (which was ruled unlawful)

Concern over UK government's ‘clandestine’ legal tactics

THE SNP MP who led the legal bid to try to stop Parliament from being suspended claims there is concern among civil servants over the “underhand…

www.thenational.scot

 

[dsr-burnley]

It'd be good to see all the communications about that Eat Out to Die Out scheme.

Just so we know.

No-one's suggesting that the enquiry won't see all the communications about the Eat Out scheme, and it will be interesting to see if it made any difference (probably didn't, since the second wave wasn't restricted to just the UK, but it will be interesting to see - in 7 years' time if the enquiry's own implied timescale comes true!) What the enquiry is suggesting is that they need to see every message about anything on any subject. But the cabinet office has given full support to submitting all messages relevant to the pandemic.

 

[Si Gull]

No-one's suggesting that the enquiry won't see all the communications about the Eat Out scheme, and it will be interesting to see if it made any difference (probably didn't, since the second wave wasn't restricted to just the UK, but it will be interesting to see - in 7 years' time if the enquiry's own implied timescale comes true!) What the enquiry is suggesting is that they need to see every message about anything on any subject. But the cabinet office has given full support to submitting all messages relevant to the pandemic.

It's an inquiry, the person/institution under investigation can't decide what's relevant, or not.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The hypocrisy of it! Btw, tax payers are paying for both sets of lawyers, for and against the action. Poverty? What poverty?

 

[WATFORD zero]

No-one's suggesting that the enquiry won't see all the communications about the Eat Out scheme, and it will be interesting to see if it made any difference (probably didn't, since the second wave wasn't restricted to just the UK, but it will be interesting to see - in 7 years' time if the enquiry's own implied timescale comes true!) What the enquiry is suggesting is that they need to see every message about anything on any subject. But the cabinet office has given full support to submitting all messages relevant to the pandemic.

Your continual defence of this current cabal's every action, despite the mounting mountains of evidence to the contrary is really quite remarkable.

A bit like the callers they let on 5 live in order to meet the Government's 'balance' requirements of the bbc. My favourite from yesterday 'I think Boris is a lovely man and had to do a very hard job and did his best. He's not even Prime Minister anymore, people should stop picking on him'.

 

[Hotchilidog]

Since 2010 the Tories have been outdoing themselves in the who can be the most risible government of all time. Against the odds by setting up an Inquiry and then taking it court Sunak actually appears to have outperformed the very tough competition to top them all.

It has been a lost 13years where this country has acted against it's own self interest, constantly punching itself in the face amidst a floor full of cut off noses in a room filled with spited faces.

Apparently the next election is due Jan 2025, it is intolerable that we have to endure this utter incompetence for a further year and half.