[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Yep. Im surprised Johnson hasn’t had the ol’ poison tipped umbrella treatment for being Russia’s biggest traitor.

That would be a fitting end to the bastards’ life. Done in by one of his own (the Russians) while out on a jog. They’ll have to be quick though. He only jogs from the car to the front gate.

Markov didn't have a protective layer of blubber, either...

 

[Pevenseagull]

They're at it again (still)

Oven ready

No 10 defends handling of Northern Ireland Protocol talks

Ex-minister Jacob Rees-Mogg accuses Rishi Sunak of failing to get support from DUP and Tory MPs.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Machiavelli]

Substantially better public finance figures than expected. The government cannot afford to pay the public sector workers though -- can't afford it and/or it'll cause inflation.

Public sector finances, UK - Office for National Statistics

How the relationship between UK public sector monthly income and expenditure leads to changes in deficit and debt.

www.ons.gov.uk

 

[clapham_gull]

The BBC as we know has been infiltrated by the Tories, they want it to be castigated from all sides. I'm very wary of falling into that trap, its still a great institution and is under attack and being hollowed out.

It is no more infiltrated by the Tories than it was by Labour under Blair, so I'd suggest calm in that regard.

 

[abc]

Well, I disagree fundamentally that Starmer doesn't have any policies. Miliband's energy plan is up there with Biden's Inflation Reduction Act. There are plans afoot at education, too.
I also disagree fundamentally that Starmer needs to have (m)any more policies for the next election. All he needs to do is to not rock the boat. Labour have had 20-25% leads in the polls for approaching a year now, and this year is hardly going to be a rosy one to restore confidence in the incumbents. That's without factoring in the slime left behind by Johnson, which will splurge out at times. Ditto the fracturing of Sunak's current fragile consensus which will follow on from the disastrous local elections in a few months time.
Of course that lead will reduce once the election approaches, but those thinking that the Tories will be in power after the election are living in la-la-land.

You may be right but for me the parallel to the current state is a couple of years before Blair was elected. Labour way ahead in the polls and the Tories in a total mess. Blair didn’t take anything for granted and bit by bit presented a new image and set of policies that crescendoed by the time the GE came. Labour won a landslide.
Many, of course, will vote for anyone but the Tories at the next GE but many others will be looking at Labour for a genuine inspiring alternative and if they don’t provide it, who knows? Complacency (which with respect your post is full of) is labour’s big danger

 

[abc]

so you'll vote lib dem then? i usually do

I have done in the past and might again if we get PR. Otherwise, what’s the point?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

They're at it again (still)

Oven ready

No 10 defends handling of Northern Ireland Protocol talks

Ex-minister Jacob Rees-Mogg accuses Rishi Sunak of failing to get support from DUP and Tory MPs.

www.bbc.co.uk

Getting Brexit done is an annual event.

 

[rogersix]

I have done in the past and might again if we get PR. Otherwise, what’s the point?

What's the point of anything, I spose?

 

[chickens]

You may be right but for me the parallel to the current state is a couple of years before Blair was elected. Labour way ahead in the polls and the Tories in a total mess. Blair didn’t take anything for granted and bit by bit presented a new image and set of policies that crescendoed by the time the GE came. Labour won a landslide.
Many, of course, will vote for anyone but the Tories at the next GE but many others will be looking at Labour for a genuine inspiring alternative and if they don’t provide it, who knows? Complacency (which with respect your post is full of) is labour’s big danger

I’m not so sure, I’m a fan of the already announced energy strategy, which suggests that he’s stopped and thought about things. He, in direct contrast to the current Conservative Party, seems capable of leadership, rather than the “let the market bleed our citizens white” approach being taken by the incumbents.

Rishi appears the closest thing to a rational adult available to the Conservatives, it’s pretty much loons the whole way down below him.

While the mentally deficient and Conservative Party members may call for Boris’s return, no serious person could contemplate having such a proven liability in office, but let’s see where the election takes us.

I suspect that there will be more announcements dropped out of Labour as it becomes politically expedient to do so.

 

[jcdenton08]

I’m not so sure, I’m a fan of the already announced energy strategy, which suggests that he’s stopped and thought about things. He, in direct contrast to the current Conservative Party, seems capable of leadership, rather than the “let the market bleed our citizens white” approach being taken by the incumbents.

Rishi appears the closest thing to a rational adult available to the Conservatives, it’s pretty much loons the whole way down below him.

While the mentally deficient and Conservative Party members may call for Boris’s return, no serious person could contemplate having such a proven liability in office, but let’s see where the election takes us.

I suspect that there will be more announcements dropped out of Labour as it becomes politically expedient to do so.

I agree on the part about Rishi being the Tories best option, and he seems relatively normal. It will make for a much smoother transition to Starmer than chaos like Truss or Johnson. Even under May and Cameron, much as I dislike their policies and the direction we were heading, we safe pairs of hands. Especially relative to what will follow.

It’s a weird position to be in, just marking time before an inevitable defeat. Eerily similar to Tories waiting for Blair to take over in 1997.

 

[A1X]

Getting Brexit done is an annual event.

Yet more Tory psycho-drama bullshit as people who voted for something now attack it to further their careers.

Meanwhile we’re running out of fresh fruit and veg…

 

[jcdenton08]

Yet more Tory psycho-drama bullshit as people who voted for something now attack it to further their careers.

Meanwhile we’re running out of fresh fruit and veg…

No evidence the fruit and veg issues are related to Brexit though. Many other European countries (https://www.fruitnet.com/eurofruit/...or-winter-fruit-and-vegetables/248349.article) are struggling due to crop failures in Spain and Morocco.

These trade routes are essentially unchanged since Brexit, the deal has changed but not the source. Can’t source what doesn’t exist.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Rishi appears the closest thing to a rational adult available to the Conservatives, it’s pretty much loons the whole way down below him.

He has made a choice to have loons in the cabinet too, albeit probably tied to deals to get him the top job. I suspect the likes of Braverman and Raab will be his undoing though.

In terms of ‘rational adult’, whilst he was smart enough to see that Brexit would make the rich richer and the poor poorer which plays to his deeply held political beliefs, this constant stoking of the culture is really pathetic. The Tories want to divide and conquer the Country.

 

[WATFORD zero]

No evidence the fruit and veg issues are related to Brexit though. Many other European countries (https://www.fruitnet.com/eurofruit/...or-winter-fruit-and-vegetables/248349.article) are struggling due to crop failures in Spain and Morocco.

These trade routes are essentially unchanged since Brexit, the deal has changed but not the source. Can’t source what doesn’t exist.

But wasn't one of the main reasons for Brexit 'to open up new trading routes and opportunities'

And I like Rishi being 'relatively normal' despite two fixed penalty notices, the Non-dom farce of his wife, his various cabinet mis appointments, back tracking, resignations and firings, his being second in command to Boris throughout the vast majority of the last 3 years of corrupt and incompetent clusterf***wittery. So that's relatively normal for a 21st century PM is it ?

Although to be fair, after Johnson and Truss, Timmy Mallet would seem 'relatively normal' for a PM

 

[jcdenton08]

But wasn't one of the main reasons for Brexit 'to open up new trading routes and opportunities'

And I like Rishi being 'relatively normal' despite two fixed penalty notices, the Non-dom farce of his wife, his various cabinet mis appointments, back tracking, resignations and firings, his being second in command to Boris throughout the vast majority of the last 3 tears clusterf***. So that's relatively normal for a 21st century PM is it ?

Although to be fair, after Johnson and Truss, Timmy Mallet would seem 'relatively normal' for a PM

You’ve answered your own question there, hence the use of the qualifier “relatively”. Like how Alec Baldwin is a relatively good parent, when compared to Josef Fritzel.

 

[chickens]

He has made a choice to have loons in the cabinet too, albeit probably tied to deals to get him the top job. I suspect the likes of Braverman and Raab will be his undoing though.

In terms of ‘rational adult’, whilst he was smart enough to see that Brexit would make the rich richer and the poor poorer which plays to his deeply held political beliefs, this constant stoking of the culture is really pathetic. The Tories want to divide and conquer the Country.

That’s the reality of this Conservative Party, he wasn’t going to be PM without appeasing the lunatics, who have far more sway than is healthy in a mainstream political party. I have no doubt that ministerial jobs for some of the chief loons was a condition of his coronation.

 

[A1X]

No evidence the fruit and veg issues are related to Brexit though. Many other European countries (https://www.fruitnet.com/eurofruit/...or-winter-fruit-and-vegetables/248349.article) are struggling due to crop failures in Spain and Morocco.

These trade routes are essentially unchanged since Brexit, the deal has changed but not the source. Can’t source what doesn’t exist.

"Oh, but that's France, they can grow their own" I hear the people determined to avoid blaming Brexit for this cry. What would a country like Ukraine be doing? Well...

 

[The Clamp]

The weather has affected production. The problems Britain is experiencing are because Brexit has made it so tricky to import to the U.K. , suppliers just aren’t bothering, instead prioritising EU countries where they don’t have the extra red tape and expense that Brexit has caused.

Great.

 

[jcdenton08]

^^^ and there are plenty of examples of supply chain issues not shown. I’m not defending Brexit, I was and remain staunchly anti-Brexit. But it’s like in Red Dwarf where Rimmer blames everything on aliens, even who used all the bog roll.

The supply chain is completely unchanged, we are getting our produce from exactly the same sources we always were.

 

[The Clamp]

^^^ and there are plenty of examples of supply chain issues not shown. I’m not defending Brexit, I was and remain staunchly anti-Brexit. But it’s like in Red Dwarf where Rimmer blames everything on aliens, even who used all the bog roll.

The supply chain is completely unchanged, we are getting our produce from exactly the same sources we always were.

The point is we are not getting our produce. Suppliers have black-balled us because of cost and hassle.