[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[The Oldman]

Obviously I do remember the 70's and there were bad things happening. Lots of strikes with rubbish not being collected and dead bodies piling up awaiting cremation or burial. I was in the NHS in those days and we had great difficulty getting clean linen, drugs and medical equipment due to miners blocking ports and supply lines. Plus we has awful inflation with mortgage rates in double figures.

However none of that compares to today's situation. After 12 years of this incompetent government they have made this nation into a laughing stock with their lies and corruption . They need to be kicked out hopefully for a long time.

 

[Peteinblack]

There’s always been a few bad apples in each main party, but this is the first generation I can think of where the bad characters are running the party and actively sidelining any person or institution who might hold them to account. This makes Berlusconi look like an amateur.

And the tribal Tories will continue voting for them by pathetically claiming that "All parties and politicians are corrupt and dishonest, so neither Liebour nor the Lib Dumbs would be any different or better, so we may as well continue voting Tory."

That's the gutter-level of intellectual and moral bankruptcy that the Tories and their zombie-followers have dragged us into.

 

[The Clamp]

A government like this should not be voted out. They should be kicked out.

Our voting system doesn’t work anyway so democracy went out the window a long time ago.

And as for those voting for them? They need to be ignored. Just as those who voted leave should have been ignored.

 

[Peteinblack]

Obviously I do remember the 70's and there were bad things happening. Lots of strikes with rubbish not being collected and dead bodies piling up awaiting cremation or burial. I was in the NHS in those days and we had great difficulty getting clean linen, drugs and medical equipment due to miners blocking ports and supply lines. Plus we has awful inflation with mortgage rates in double figures.

However none of that compares to today's situation. After 12 years of this incompetent government they have made this nation into a laughing stock with their lies and corruption . They need to be kicked out hopefully for a long time.

I'm an academic who has done some research into the 1978-79 winter-of-discontent, and without denying the inconvenience and grief that many people suffered, a lot of the hardships were predictably exaggerated, for political reasons, by the Tories and the press.

For example, a notorious tabloid headline "Now they won't even let us bury our dead", about cancelled funerals because of cruel grave-diggers being on strike, was apparently in response to a cancelled funeral in Liverpool." Of course, this was then sensationally reported as if thousands of funerals were being cancelled throughout the country, every day.

This is what always happens during strikes - the Tories and the press look for one isolated or one-off example or tragedy, and then portray it as universal, in order to smear and discredit trade unions and strikers, and indirectly, the Labour Party.

Of course, if funerals are cancelled due to staff shortages caused by government cuts to local authority funding, then there are no crocodile tears or pretend outrage by the Tories or their tabloids on behalf of the grieving bereaved.

 

[Wokeworrier]

They call it pork barrelling, very common in the USA.

i notice Canterbury is getting a huge wedge, hardly a poor area. But a very marginal seat...

Very common in the UK too ...

Brown accused of diverting rural money to 'bribe urban voters in

Billions of pounds have been diverted from rural areas to invest in traditional Labour heartlands over the last decade, official figures suggest.

www.standard.co.uk

... funny how some people only ever seem outraged when the other side do it

 

[The Clamp]

Very common in the UK too ...

Brown accused of diverting rural money to 'bribe urban voters in

Billions of pounds have been diverted from rural areas to invest in traditional Labour heartlands over the last decade, official figures suggest.

www.standard.co.uk

... funny how some people only ever seem outraged when the other side do it

Pssst,
Before you make a fool of yourself (again) just a quick note to let you know that Brown hasn’t been in power since 2010. Just a heads up.
As you were.

 

[Peteinblack]

Very common in the UK too ...

Brown accused of diverting rural money to 'bribe urban voters in

Billions of pounds have been diverted from rural areas to invest in traditional Labour heartlands over the last decade, official figures suggest.

www.standard.co.uk

... funny how some people only ever seem outraged when the other side do it

LOL! An example from over 15 years ago to divert attention from the same problem, and on a much larger scale, being perpetrated currently and recently.

Typical Tory Whatabouttery?

Be careful you don't get splinters in your fingers scraping the bottom of the barrel

 

[loz]

Obviously I do remember the 70's and there were bad things happening. Lots of strikes with rubbish not being collected and dead bodies piling up awaiting cremation or burial. I was in the NHS in those days and we had great difficulty getting clean linen, drugs and medical equipment due to miners blocking ports and supply lines. Plus we has awful inflation with mortgage rates in double figures.

However none of that compares to today's situation. After 12 years of this incompetent government they have made this nation into a laughing stock with their lies and corruption . They need to be kicked out hopefully for a long time.

The interest rates averaged 7.5% in the 70s peaking at 12.5% in 1979 ( we all know who was in power then) then after 10 years of Tory government they went silly 91 ish ?

 

[Wokeworrier]

LOL! An example from over 15 years ago to divert attention from the same problem, and on a much larger scale, being perpetrated currently and recently.

Typical Tory Whatabouttery?

Be careful you don't get splinters in your fingers scraping the bottom of the barrel

LOL! Well it would be a long time ago sparky as we haven't had a Labour government for quite some time! The example was provided to prove the point I was making, all sides do it but the outrage amongst some people seems rather selective ...

 

[BBassic]

LOL! Well it would be a long time ago sparky as we haven't had a Labour government for quite some time! The example was provided to prove the point I was making, all sides do it but the outrage amongst some people seems rather selective ...

I'd put money on the fact that Tory voters who were outraged about Brown back then are happily ignoring the shit the Government is doing today.

 

[nicko31]

Very common in the UK too ...

Brown accused of diverting rural money to 'bribe urban voters in

Billions of pounds have been diverted from rural areas to invest in traditional Labour heartlands over the last decade, official figures suggest.

www.standard.co.uk

... funny how some people only ever seem outraged when the other side do it

Labour weren't perfect but Brown wasn't a security risk to the UK, he didn't appoint sons of KGB agents to the HOL, he didn't unlawfully shutdown parliament, he give contracts to mates and then try to scrap ethics rules to save their arse.

Feels like a different era to me now, but you carry on

 

[chickens]

LOL! Well it would be a long time ago sparky as we haven't had a Labour government for quite some time! The example was provided to prove the point I was making, all sides do it but the outrage amongst some people seems rather selective ...

I’m not sure that’s entirely true. I’m just as disappointed when Labour prove themselves more interested in self-preservation than doing the right thing.

If I may though, I’d like to point out that during Labour’s last government the NHS (while still imperfect) improved from the disrepair that it had been allowed to fall into under Conservative hands. Child poverty fell, adult poverty fell, and education and other key services were sensibly (though not extravagantly) funded and accessible.

Whereas here, we have a party that has had 12 years to implement its vision of Britain, and frankly it all seems a bit third world and unnecessarily dystopian to many of us.

I’m happy for you to relate to me the unmitigated triumphs of this government though, are you able to give me some tangible improvements that have been made on its watch?

 

[vegster]

I’m not sure that’s entirely true. I’m just as disappointed when Labour prove themselves more interested in self-preservation than doing the right thing.

If I may though, I’d like to point out that during Labour’s last government the NHS (while still imperfect) improved from the disrepair that it had been allowed to fall into under Conservative hands. Child poverty fell, adult poverty fell, and education and other key services were sensibly (though not extravagantly) funded and accessible.

Whereas here, we have a party that has had 12 years to implement its vision of Britain, and frankly it all seems a bit third world and unnecessarily dystopian to many of us.

I’m happy for you to relate to me the unmitigated triumphs of this government though, are you able to give me some tangible improvements that have been made on its watch?

How about the huge network of Food Banks that the government has encouraged ?

 

[chickens]

How about the huge network of Food Banks that the government has encouraged ?

That’s only a triumph for Jacob Rees-Mogg’s one man crusade to bring Dickensian squalor and decay to the 21st century. I’m interested in genuine government led improvements in our lives between 2010 and now.

 

[BBassic]

That’s only a triumph for Jacob Rees-Mogg’s one man crusade to bring Dickensian squalor and decay to the 21st century. I’m interested in genuine government led improvements in our lives between 2010 and now.

Brexit...oh...no...uhhh...
Levelling up...ah...shit...ummm...

Blue passports! There we go. I knew there was something.

 

[chickens]

Brexit...oh...no...uhhh...
Levelling up...ah...shit...ummm...

Blue passports! There we go. I knew there was something.

Yes it’s blue (which could only be improved by including white stripes) but it actually has more limited power than the older red passport, which allowed us to travel visa free and even live across Europe, so I can’t count it as a win, as it’s a downgrade on what it replaced.

 

[Peteinblack]

How about the huge network of Food Banks that the government has encouraged ?

In the Hartlepool by-election a couple of years ago, someone interviewed on their way to the polling station said they were going to vote Conservative for the first time ever "because Labour want to get rid of food-banks."

 

[Peteinblack]

Brexit...oh...no...uhhh...
Levelling up...ah...shit...ummm...

Blue passports! There we go. I knew there was something.

Manufactured in Poland by a French company!

 

[Berty23]

Good to see so many MPs who spent so long saying the police should re investigate starmer’s curry have realised they shouldn’t waste time and now strongly condemn police wasting time on enforcing the law on politicians.

I assume it is then realising their behaviour was ridiculous before right?

 

[nicko31]

Manufactured in Poland by a French company!

I preferred it when they made by a British company with a French name