[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[The Clamp]

But I still don't know whether the government specifically told the civil service that they must not get PPE from existing suppliers even if it was available - in which case they're obviously culpable. Or whether they personally took over the system of ordering and refused to let any civil servants have a go at it - in which case they're obviously culpable. Or whether they created a brand new system in which they deliberately excluded anyone with any knowledge of the system and ensured none of them were able to ask - in which case they're obviously culpable. Or whether the civil service was to some extent at fault.

I don't believe in this scenario whereby the minister was solely responsible for procurement and none of the 6,500 NHS England staff, and none of the 3,000 Department of Health staff, had any access to any of the ordering system. There must have been incompetence by some of them as well as by the minister.

If, as you all suggest, the minister said that he would do it all himself and his staff could take the time off, then there must be memos about it. But until I see more than rumours on a stridently anti-Tory message board, I won't believe that Hancock and only Hancock was able to order PPE.

You’re like the man who jumps off a 30 storey building and keeps saying to himself on the way down “all okay so far”.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Don't be fatuous. His quote was only three sentences long and even if you've never read anything longer than a twitter thread you know that he's talking about preaching politics. You can get any politician to say anything if you take it completely out of context.

Gullis replied: “I don’t think unelected bishops in the House of Lords should be preaching about politics. I think they should be looking in-house at the wide abuse claims, and the Archbishop of Canterbury should be spending his time focusing on the Church’s reputation. I sadly think that there are too many people using the pulpit to preach from, and actually I think they’re out of touch with the overall majority of this great country.”

Bishops have been heavily involved in politics ever since Christianity arrived in these isles, so asking them to stop now is a waste of your breath.
As for Gullis, a strange and not particularly pleasant individual who I suspect will be gone at the next election.
The House of Lords is an unelected body so i’m not sure what he’s getting at. Maybe he should focus on the behaviour of the 60 odd MP’s who have been very naughty boys/girls or ask why we have a Russian in the House of Lord.
i would argue the Tory MP’s are way out of touch with the general populace which why they will be exiting stage left at the next election.
For the record I’m an atheist.

 

[rogersix]

I do wonder if any of the civil servants should share the blame. It hasn't really been made clear whether the ministers were solely in charge of procurement of PPE and made decisions for all the contracts, or whether the ministers were doing what they could to source extra supplies while expecting the civil servants to deal with existing companies. I suspect the latter.

Is there any evidence that ministers gave specific orders that companies like Arco must not be used, or was it just a catalogue of incompetence where the civil servants who normally dealt with Arco couldn't cope with the change of circumstances and the ministers' attention was focussed on searching for new sources of supply, not realising that their staff couldn't even find the existing sources?

off the scale! do you wonder about other things?

are you a tory mp?

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

off the scale! do you wonder about other things?

are you a tory mp?

He is talking bollocks but to accuse him of being a Tory MP is a bit harsh.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

This is, apparently a stridently anti-tory message board.

Said a man with no argument left.

We are certainly a stridently anti-Bumley message board.

 

[rogersix]

But I still don't know whether the government specifically told the civil service that they must not get PPE from existing suppliers even if it was available - in which case they're obviously culpable. Or whether they personally took over the system of ordering and refused to let any civil servants have a go at it - in which case they're obviously culpable. Or whether they created a brand new system in which they deliberately excluded anyone with any knowledge of the system and ensured none of them were able to ask - in which case they're obviously culpable. Or whether the civil service was to some extent at fault.

I don't believe in this scenario whereby the minister was solely responsible for procurement and none of the 6,500 NHS England staff, and none of the 3,000 Department of Health staff, had any access to any of the ordering system. There must have been incompetence by some of them as well as by the minister.

If, as you all suggest, the minister said that he would do it all himself and his staff could take the time off, then there must be memos about it. But until I see more than rumours on a stridently anti-Tory message board, I won't believe that Hancock and only Hancock was able to order PPE.

crivens! you have an internet connection, do your own research

 

[rogersix]

Don't be fatuous. His quote was only three sentences long and even if you've never read anything longer than a twitter thread you know that he's talking about preaching politics. You can get any politician to say anything if you take it completely out of context.

Gullis replied: “I don’t think unelected bishops in the House of Lords should be preaching about politics. I think they should be looking in-house at the wide abuse claims, and the Archbishop of Canterbury should be spending his time focusing on the Church’s reputation. I sadly think that there are too many people using the pulpit to preach from, and actually I think they’re out of touch with the overall majority of this great country.”

are you confident you understand what's happening around you?

the chap sits in the house of lords! it's his job!

 

[Thunder Bolt]

are you confident you understand what's happening around you?

the chap sits in the house of lords! it's his job!

The House of Lords, with Lords Temporal and Lords Spiritual.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Bishops have been heavily involved in politics ever since Christianity arrived in these isles, so asking them to stop now is a waste of your breath.
As for Gullis, a strange and not particularly pleasant individual who I suspect will be gone at the next election.
The House of Lords is an unelected body so i’m not sure what he’s getting at. Maybe he should focus on the behaviour of the 60 odd MP’s who have been very naughty boys/girls or ask why we have a Russian in the House of Lord.
i would argue the Tory MP’s are way out of touch with the general populace which why they will be exiting stage left at the next election.
For the record I’m an atheist.

I don't agree with Gullis's comments. Bishops should preach about politics, especially those who are part of the Lords Temporal. All I'm saying is that Gullis should be criticised for what he said; he should not have comments invented (or in this case, edited) as a way of encouraging people to laugh at him for something he did not say.

 

[Nobby]

This is, apparently a stridently anti-tory message board.

Said a man with no argument left.

We are certainly a stridently anti-Bumley message board.

He's sneaked on here from the Bear Pit, masquerading as a the only liberal Burnley fan.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I don't agree with Gullis's comments. Bishops should preach about politics, especially those who are part of the Lords Temporal. All I'm saying is that Gullis should be criticised for what he said; he should not have comments invented (or in this case, edited) as a way of encouraging people to laugh at him for something he did not say.

Bishops are Lords Spiritual, life peers and hereditary peers are Lords Temporal.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Retirement and early retirement are now to blame for inflation as bosses have to pay higher wages to get workers. The workforce has dropped dramatically, which, of course, is nothing to do with stopping immigration.
No, get back to work you oldies, and work until you drop.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Bishops have been heavily involved in politics ever since Christianity arrived in these isles, so asking them to stop now is a waste of your breath.
As for Gullis, a strange and not particularly pleasant individual who I suspect will be gone at the next election.
The House of Lords is an unelected body so i’m not sure what he’s getting at. Maybe he should focus on the behaviour of the 60 odd MP’s who have been very naughty boys/girls or ask why we have a Russian in the House of Lord.
i would argue the Tory MP’s are way out of touch with the general populace which why they will be exiting stage left at the next election.
For the record I’m an atheist.

I’d like him to concentrate on this sort of thing:

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Or this. 'Made a mistake' Right!

 

[A1X]

He looks like a caricature of a shires Tory knobhead

 

[WATFORD zero]

This is, apparently a stridently anti-tory message board.

Said a man with no argument left.

We are certainly a stridently anti-Bumley message board.

I believe that NSC is also well known in the football forum world for it's strident anti-stupidity stance

 

[Peteinblack]

Don't be fatuous. His quote was only three sentences long and even if you've never read anything longer than a twitter thread you know that he's talking about preaching politics. You can get any politician to say anything if you take it completely out of context.

Gullis replied: “I don’t think unelected bishops in the House of Lords should be preaching about politics. I think they should be looking in-house at the wide abuse claims, and the Archbishop of Canterbury should be spending his time focusing on the Church’s reputation. I sadly think that there are too many people using the pulpit to preach from, and actually I think they’re out of touch with the overall majority of this great country.”

I bet Gullis would have no problem with Bishops 'preaching from the pulpit' if they were praising Brexit, accusing the unemployed of being lazy, or condemning striking rail workers, eh?

The usual Tory hypocrisy; free-speech if we agree with what you are saying and its supports us, but otherwise, we'll impose our own cancel culture on you.

If the Lord Jesus Christ was with us today, the Tories and the Daily Mail would be denouncing him as a Commie or a Woke liberal do-gooder who ought to be deported.

 

[Peteinblack]

Bishops are Lords Spiritual, life peers and hereditary peers are Lords Temporal.

Now, now, don't go confusing him with facts or nuance

 

[dsr-burnley]

Bishops are Lords Spiritual, life peers and hereditary peers are Lords Temporal.

Thanks.

 

[Dick Swiveller]

First they came for our contact sports - and I did not speak out as I am too old and broken
Then they came for our outdoor running - and I did not speak out as I am too old and broken.

I am a bit worried my mouse is a bit sharp around the edges - can I play games?

Avoid contact sports during ambulance strikes, says minister

Will Quince also says people not to make unnecessary car journeys during action by ambulance workers.

www.bbc.co.uk