[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[carlzeiss]

Good. Like Patel and Braverman another BAME traitor playing the woke card, badly.

Looks like you have just outed yourself

 

[Seagull27]

Sorry, I did try to explain I take a different view to you on the veracity of anything posted on Twitter as compared to extensively researched articles of journalism. The former can quite reasonably be summarized as gossip. As you will probably guess I don’t have a Twitter account. I’m sorry if I inadvertently upset you but it is hardly comparable with the turn this thread has taken.

Not sure there is a great deal of quality journalistic research these days, even in the "better" newspapers. Half the articles I see now are just a collection of Twitter/Reddit posts with some commentary around them, and a clickbait headline

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Not sure there is a great deal of quality journalistic research these days, even in the "better" newspapers. Half the articles I see now are just a collection of Twitter/Reddit posts with some commentary around them, and a clickbait headline

Yeah, you have a point. In this case though I would at least expect the relevant clause in the constitution to be quoted.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Yeah, you have a point. In this case though I would at least expect the relevant clause in the constitution to be quoted.

For someone who has changed the Ministerial code, I can’t see any clause being a problem for Johnson.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

For someone who has changed the Ministerial code, I can’t see any clause being a problem for Johnson.

Fair enough for you to think that. I might be wrong but wasn’t it within his power to change the Ministerial Code whereas Tory leadership campaign rules are set by the 1922 Committee ? To change the rules at this stage might cause a little consternation within the party.

 

[vegster]

Sounds like we are going to be governed by a continuity fruit loop now. Can see Rushi being knifed by Johnson to leave Truss or Mordaunt as the inheritor of the tarnished crown. Expect lots of hilarity a they try to " Re-do " Brexit and blame the country's ills on the Deep State or Whitehall [emoji1]....never 12 years of Tory government.

They will be wiped out at the next General Election and only then can they start rebuilding with a clean pair of hands, someone not tarnished by Johnsons lies and idiocy.

 

[Gwylan]

Long term Truss would be good, unlikely to win an election

How on earth will Truss be good in the long term? She spent two years as trade secretary negotiating deals that put the UK in a worse position than before. She's managed to renege on a treaty - the consequences of which we're yet to see. She polled appallingly in the leader debate, worse then every other candidate.

The champagne will be flowing for days at Labour HQ if she's elected leader

 

[jcdenton08]

How on earth will Truss be good in the long term? She spent two years as trade secretary negotiating deals that put the UK in a worse position than before. She's managed to renege on a treaty - the consequences of which we're yet to see. She polled appallingly in the leader debate, worse then every other candidate.

The champagne will be flowing for days at Labour HQ if she's elected leader

I think you’ve had a bit of a nightmare there.

 

[Pevenseagull]

Truss is now favourite with nearly every bookmaker on Oddschecker: https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-conservative-leader

I await to hear her plans to make huge tax cuts while at the same time getting the Passport Office running efficiently again and solving the problems the NHS has as well.

All she needs to do to win in the last 2 is say that she wants Julia Hartley -Brewer to take over as presenter of 'Countdown' and she'll absolutely piss the membership vote.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

How on earth will Truss be good in the long term? She spent two years as trade secretary negotiating deals that put the UK in a worse position than before. She's managed to renege on a treaty - the consequences of which we're yet to see. She polled appallingly in the leader debate, worse then every other candidate.

The champagne will be flowing for days at Labour HQ if she's elected leader

She won’t be able to get anything through, the party is split - the legal hold ups will delay most things.

A GE isn’t far off now.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Looks like you have just outed yourself

Looks like you've chosen to ignore the reply I made addressing your earlier points?

If you'd like to tell us all what could be worse than the last twelve years and how Labour would have achieved it we're all eyes.

If you want a reply to the above you'll have to be a little clearer. It's a touch ambiguous. Happy to help you when you've put a bit more meat on the bone though

 

[Guinness Boy]

I think you’ve had a bit of a nightmare there.

Au contraire - he hit the nail on the head.

Elect Liz, get Starmer. Which is exactly what the country needs.

#TeamTrussmeister

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Can it be ruled out the Johnson supporters have inflated Rishi in this race and for them to pull back at the final vote to embarrass him?

Quite a dangerous, calculated game to play as you have to keep an eye on the numbers elsewhere, but I sense stop Rishi at all costs is an agenda from his old boss.


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[A1X]

She won’t be able to get anything through, the party is split - the legal hold ups will delay most things.

A GE isn’t far off now.

Agreed. A few polls showing a Tory recovery and the new leader’s ego may well get the better of them. Never underestimate the lure to a new PM of “their” mandate, not the inherited one.

 

[Bodian]

I think you’ve had a bit of a nightmare there.

In what way?

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Agreed. A few polls showing a Tory recovery and the new leader’s ego may well get the better of them. Never underestimate the lure to a new PM of “their” mandate, not the inherited one.

New leader boost.

Go for an election now rather than after 2 more years of further economic misery.

 

[vegster]

Can it be ruled out the Johnson supporters have inflated Rishi in this race and for them to pull back at the final vote to embarrass him?

Quite a dangerous, calculated game to play as you have to keep an eye on the numbers elsewhere, but I sense stop Rishi at all costs is an agenda from his old boss.


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This is fully what I expect. Johnson is a nasty piece of work on the quiet, a vindictive and spiteful bully.

 

[A1X]

New leader boost.

Go for an election now rather than after 2 more years of further economic misery.

Indeed, although I actually don’t think it’ll matter. Things have already started to bite. Probably needed one in May for the Government to hold on.

 

[Theatre of Trees]

Can it be ruled out the Johnson supporters have inflated Rishi in this race and for them to pull back at the final vote to embarrass him?

Quite a dangerous, calculated game to play as you have to keep an eye on the numbers elsewhere, but I sense stop Rishi at all costs is an agenda from his old boss.


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Remember 148 people voted against Johnson in the Party's vote of no confidence and that was before large numbers resigned from government positions in the aftermath of Sunak's resignation. 120 appears to be correct amount to me at the moment.

 

[Hamilton]

Long term Truss would be good, unlikely to win an election

Damage might be terrible though. My Mum would do a better job.