[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Guinness Boy]

Please can they find a way to get Boris on the ballot, I'm not ready for this car crash to slow down (it's not stopping, it's already too far gone)

Don't worry, Truss will probably put him in her cabinet.

 

[Bob!]

Dishy Rishi must be ****ing fuming. He's pissed every MPs vote by miles - but the moment the ballot goes to the demented membership he's gonna get beaten by Mavis from Coronation Street and spend the next 2 years in California.

There, corrected that for you.

 

[rippleman]

I dread to think how things would be if we had just had 12 years of a Labour government

Well just pretend we have and you can blame Jeremy Corbyn for this total shambles.

Now you can rest easy in your bed tonight.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Ok so you don't trust the editor of the Telegraph. It's not from me so take it or leave it.

Perhaps just a difference of opinion on using Twitter as a source. If the editor of the Telegraph were to write a detailed article on the subject I would take notice. A few words on Twitter less so. Best I can find is this in the Independent but still no detail;

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...nson-tory-leadership-ballot-b2126539.html?amp

I will look forward to the full article and am a bit surprised it hasn’t been written already.

 

[The Lemming Stomper]

Dishy Rishi must be ****ing fuming. He's pissed every MPs vote by miles - but the moment the ballot goes to the demented membership he's gonna get beaten by Mavis from Coronation Street and spend the next 2 years as junior minister at the White Fish Authority.

Good

 

[beorhthelm]

That phrase doesn’t sit well with me.

didnt you know BAME community have a defined electoral box, with certain set of views and opinions?

 

[Bry Nylon]

Don't worry, Truss will probably put him in her cabinet.

He's probably on the phone to her now, telling her what job to give him:

Deputy Prime Minister

...and we're back where we started. Well played, Boris, old son.

(..and it will probably come with 'the flat').

 

[beorhthelm]

Don't worry, Truss will probably put him in her cabinet.

now that i could see happening. Minister for Brexit?

more likely though he already has a scheudule of speaking engagments inbetween writing his memoirs, far more lucrative and less burdensome than any cabinet job.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Dishy Rishi must be ****ing fuming. He's pissed every MPs vote by miles - but the moment the ballot goes to the demented membership he's gonna get beaten by Mavis from Coronation Street and spend the next 2 years as junior minister at the White Fish Authority.

I'm sure he'll land on his feet.

 

[West Hoathly Seagull]

Dishy Rishi must be ****ing fuming. He's pissed every MPs vote by miles - but the moment the ballot goes to the demented membership he's gonna get beaten by Mavis from Coronation Street and spend the next 2 years as junior minister at the White Fish Authority.

I'm not sure he would stay on for long. I should think Truss would keep Nadhim Zahawi as Chancellor, and Rishi won't want anything less. I don't expect Foreign Secretary would attract him. If he stays as a backbench MP, he can go back to banking part-time, and then leave Parliament and go back full time. He must have known the risk when he resigned.

Talking of Kemi Badenoch's supporters, I think at least two won't vote for Liz Truss. She and Michael Gove are fierce rivals, and Greg Clark, the MP for Tunbridge Wells, who is on the One Nation wing, and the neighbour of Tom Tugendhat, was a supporter of hers. This surprised me. I thought he would go for Tugendhat. However, that leaves a solid 57 for Truss to recruit, unless some of those who came over from Tugendhat go for Sunak or Mordaunt, but I don't think it will be enough to keep Truss off the members' ballot.

 

[beorhthelm]

Perhaps just a difference of opinion on using Twitter as a source. If the editor of the Telegraph were to write a detailed article on the subject I would take notice. A few words on Twitter less so. Best I can find is this in the Independent but still no detail;

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...nson-tory-leadership-ballot-b2126539.html?amp

I will look forward to the full article and am a bit surprised it hasn’t been written already.

the 1922 commitee set out the rules for the leadership election, if its not in there (and we'd have been told by now), Johnson cant enter no matter what some tory Lord says. need to remember he was going to go through embaressment of a rule change specifically for another vote by the parliamentry party to kick him out. i reckon its fringe supporters or a wind up.

 

[Guinness Boy]

didnt you know BAME community have a defined electoral box, with certain set of views and opinions?

When, per the governments' own statistics https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures...its/employment/employment/latest#by-ethnicity BAME people had an unemployment rate of 44% compared to the white 22%, when the UPP Foundation states black students are 1.5 times more likely to drop out of University than white and when stop and search significantly impacts on the lives of young black men more than any other cohort, then perhaps they should.

Rather than cosying up to Britain First, an acknowledged fascist party whose leader Paul Golding was convicted of terrorism in 2020.

You sleepwalk to 1937 if you want mate, there are lots of us who won't.

 

[beorhthelm]

When, per the governments' own statistics https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures...its/employment/employment/latest#by-ethnicity BAME people had an unemployment rate of 44% compared to the white 22%, when the UPP Foundation states black students are 1.5 times more likely to drop out of University than white and when stop and search significantly impacts on the lives of young black men more than any other cohort, then perhaps they should.

Rather than cosying up to Britain First, an acknowledged fascist party whose leader Paul Golding was convicted of terrorism in 2020.

You sleepwalk to 1937 if you want mate, there are lots of us who won't.

you want to assume various believes and views based on some employment profile? brave. wouldnt dare assume such, from listening to BiL and many work colleges over the years, the BAME political views are far more diverse than that. having support from a fascist is not cosying up to them. why not stop to wonder why they might have common ground?

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

didnt you know BAME community have a defined electoral box, with certain set of views and opinions?

Like you I am a bit amazed that anyone would take such a view. This thread probably isn’t for me.

 

[Recidivist]

Sure hope the latest Tory members poll is an aberration! They seem to have been all over the place since the start of this contest.

Makes you wonder what they’re smoking? Why on earth would they want the self-styled “continuity” candidate?

Are they really stupid enough to want another 2+ years of the same shambolic government?


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[Guinness Boy]

you want to assume various believes and views based on some employment profile? brave. wouldnt dare assume such

No, read what I wrote again and try to understand it this time.

the BAME political views are far more diverse than that. having support from a fascist is not cosying up to them. why not stop to wonder why they might have common ground?

They are, but in the new, divide and conquer, binary, Brexit and Culture Wars world they will have to pick a side and I suspect Kemi, Suella and a couple of others have picked the wrong one.

Of course it's GREAT to have a BAME person waffling non stop shite about "woke" and "cancel culture" without ever fully understanding or explaining it but, at the end of the day, saying the sort of things that Britain First support should be making you reconsider your life choices. We're far too close to the "some of my best mates are black" argument for my liking.

 

[lawros left foot]

SCHEDULE 2
RULES FOR THE ELECTION OF THE LEADER



1 The Leader shall be elected by the Party Members and Scottish Party Members.
2 A Leader resigning from the Leadership of the Party is not eligible for re-nomination in the consequent Leadership election



I can’t see how they will get round this rule. Aren’t they forever telling us, you can’t change your mind and expect another vote?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

the 1922 commitee set out the rules for the leadership election, if its not in there (and we'd have been told by now), Johnson cant enter no matter what some tory Lord says. need to remember he was going to go through embaressment of a rule change specifically for another vote by the parliamentry party to kick him out. i reckon its fringe supporters or a wind up.

The rules from the 1922 committee said there couldn't be a VONC within 12 months but two executive members of the committee were prepared to change the rules.
They didn't need to as a spate of resignations followed.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

SCHEDULE 2
RULES FOR THE ELECTION OF THE LEADER



1 The Leader shall be elected by the Party Members and Scottish Party Members.
2 A Leader resigning from the Leadership of the Party is not eligible for re-nomination in the consequent Leadership election



I can’t see how they will get round this rule. Aren’t they forever telling us, you can’t change your mind and expect another vote?

He hasn't resigned. There was no mention of the word resign in his speech, he didn't put anything in writing and didn't visit the Queen. He said it was an intention to resign.
He is still acting like the party leader sacking Ellwood.

 

[Gwylan]

SCHEDULE 2
RULES FOR THE ELECTION OF THE LEADER



1 The Leader shall be elected by the Party Members and Scottish Party Members.
2 A Leader resigning from the Leadership of the Party is not eligible for re-nomination in the consequent Leadership election



I can’t see how they will get round this rule. Aren’t they forever telling us, you can’t change your mind and expect another vote?

The MPs could call for a vote of no confidence in the new leader in a couple of months. Johnson could then stand in the subsequent election and win.

Of course, the 1922 Committe would have to change the rules on election but if there's enough pressure, it could happen