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The Antikythera Mechanism

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Boris Johnson to be put in Bagpuss’ shop window along with all the other lost and broken things nobody wants any more
 


A1X

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A surprise to no one. The local Tory MP leant on the Police to get this investigated, purely political.

Be hilarious if they then investigated him (and the Mail) for wasting police time
 










Recidivist

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That's rather convoluted, because they could get round that by removing Johnson and his deputy stepping in in the interim period. Raab did that when Johnson had Covid. The general view in the party is that 'this particular ship has sailed', and we're stuck with him for however long the leadership contest lasts.
PS, also see my post below.

I have a suspicion that this might have been part of the deal done with Graham Brady to get him to resign in the first place?

Although I have zero sympathy with BoJo, I can’t really see that he can do much harm in the few weeks before a new leader is chosen.

The 1922 committee will undoubtedly accelerate the timetable as much as possible, the z-listers in the new cabinet will be under strict orders to do nothing other than keep things ticking over and Parliament will be in recess soon anyway.

There is formal written guidance on a PM transition which does set all this out too.

Sounds to me more like kicking him while he’s down by the very morons that kept him in power so long (with my MP Tim Loughton being an honourable exception)!

As an aside, I saw moron-in-chief, Andrew Bridgen, suggest on TV that plenty of people thought he ought to be leader but he’s thought to be too much of a maverick by his fellow MPs.

Doh……..
 




rippleman

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There has been a spate of Corbynistas on Twitter attacking 'Keith' as they like to call him. Not you, but there has been a bit of a campaign.

Don't get me wrong, I am no fan of Starmers. Not at all. I would prefer the Labour Party to be led by a socialist. But give me a Labour government led by Starmer over a Tory government led by anyone, every day of the week.
 


Mellor 3 Ward 4

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Don't get me wrong, I am no fan of Starmers. Not at all. I would prefer the Labour Party to be led by a socialist. But give me a Labour government led by Starmer over a Tory government led by anyone, every day of the week.

When was the last time the UK had a Labour Govt. led by a socialist?
 


rippleman

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I have a suspicion that this might have been part of the deal done with Graham Brady to get him to resign in the first place?

Although I have zero sympathy with BoJo, I can’t really see that he can do much harm in the few weeks before a new leader is chosen.

The 1922 committee will undoubtedly accelerate the timetable as much as possible, the z-listers in the new cabinet will be under strict orders to do nothing other than keep things ticking over and Parliament will be in recess soon anyway.

There is formal written guidance on a PM transition which does set all this out too.

Sounds to me more like kicking him while he’s down by the very morons that kept him in power so long (with my MP Tim Loughton being an honourable exception)!

As an aside, I saw moron-in-chief, Andrew Bridgen, suggest on TV that plenty of people thought he ought to be leader but he’s thought to be too much of a maverick by his fellow MPs.

Doh……..

Doh indeed. The MPs and ministers that propped up Johnson for so long - and continue to do so by agreeing to serve under him - only put the boot in when public support for the Tories leeched away and they saw that their own seats were at risk. If they lost in Tiverton then just about every Tory seat in the country was at risk.

This is an act of self-preservation by Tory MPs. They have not tried to get Johnson out for the good of the country, but to protect their own interests.
 






Mellor 3 Ward 4

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Why is it there are a section of leftists labelled Corbynistas and seen as a weird cult because they believe in radical left wing policies which would improve the country and be more for the people. Yet there are a huge section of people who adore Boris Johnson, beleive or let him off all his lies and deceit and are prepared to forgive every misdemeanour no matter how depraved or damaging it is for the country. Surely Johnsonistas are the real cultists who should be castigated?

Supporters of JC and BJ In their own way, both as bad as each other.

If you want to know why some supporters of JC are so vile, we'd be opening up once again the whole antisemitism can of worms.

Yes, I'm a centrist/moderate and feel that's where the majority of sensible people sit.
 






Machiavelli

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I have a suspicion that this might have been part of the deal done with Graham Brady to get him to resign in the first place?

Although I have zero sympathy with BoJo, I can’t really see that he can do much harm in the few weeks before a new leader is chosen.

The 1922 committee will undoubtedly accelerate the timetable as much as possible, the z-listers in the new cabinet will be under strict orders to do nothing other than keep things ticking over and Parliament will be in recess soon anyway.

There is formal written guidance on a PM transition which does set all this out too.

Sounds to me more like kicking him while he’s down by the very morons that kept him in power so long (with my MP Tim Loughton being an honourable exception)!

As an aside, I saw moron-in-chief, Andrew Bridgen, suggest on TV that plenty of people thought he ought to be leader but he’s thought to be too much of a maverick by his fellow MPs.

Doh……..

Well, yes, while we've been informed by Johnson what was the thrust of the conversations he's had with his ex/current/returning/... Cabinet ministers, we have no idea what went on with Brady and, as I think you're indicating, that's where the real action took place. Fly on the wall, and all that.

PS, I neglected to mention that in your prior response to me, you're spot on about the fact that most within the broader public pay little attention to politics -- something that I need reminding and reflecting on every now and again, and I'm by no means alone in that.
 


rogersix

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The issue is that there have always been warring factions within the party.
The idea that both sides would cede the top job to the other side is unlikely.
The party has to chose whether it wants to return to the centre or not.
It could get messy.

Meanwhile Bojo will continue to present himself as the leader during challenging times

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I have been wondering, since Putin attacked Kiev, does bunglcunt secretly want to be a bit more like zelensky
 




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Can see why Labour/Libs want an election, they won’t have a better chance of winning.

New leader for the Tories and a lot is forgotten by the time the next election comes around
 




The Antikythera Mechanism

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Shame there’s no one in Parliament today of the calibre of John Smith. If he hadn’t died so young, he would’ve been PM and we would never have gone to war with Iraq, would probably have our own Constitution in a single document and a far better relationship with the EU.
 


WATFORD zero

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Can see why Labour/Libs want an election, they won’t have a better chance of winning.

New leader for the Tories and a lot is forgotten by the time the next election comes around

I'm not sure the impending economic crisis will even have peaked, let alone be forgotten by the next election ???
 


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