[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[jimhigham]

The Newsnight report from Bury made depressing viewing tonight. The assembled panel seemed well aware they were being lied to on a regular basis by our leaders but only one person suggested he was prepared to change his vote as a result. There was a real sense of fatigue. It’s a remarkable phenomenon. The 2019 election swung in part on remain voters being prepared to set that issue aside simply to see Brexit “resolved”. If the government can lie long and hard enough it seems the attendant scandals ultimately coalesce in the electorate’s minds. As we lack the collective bandwidth to process the relentless tide of turd, we ultimately shrug and move on.

Me. Tonight.

 

[Dick Swiveller]

I was thinking tonight how incredibly seriously some businesses took the rules. You couldn't enter my building without a temperature check and it was the same at my dentist.

I was lucky enough to work at home, but many couldn't. Many setting up and looking after the infrastructure so the others didn't have to go in.

I understand many small businesses couldn't do that, but Whitehall is a huge business. You'd expect them to be the gold standard.

Billions have spent by businesses to make their work place secure and Downing Street stuck two fingers up to it.

Obviously they opened up the financial tap with the furlough scheme, but that's all Johnson has as a policy - write a huge cheque and fingers crossed some of it goes in the right direction.

How anybody with Conservative inclined politics has been sucked in by this fraud is beyond me. It's like Michael Portillo becoming leader of the Labour party and Corbynistas singing his name.

Party of business ? It's become the party of Johnson.

I was given a letter to carry saying that I had the right to go to work as our sites were planned as standby morgues. For all of the crowing about boosters and money, more than 300 people a day are dying and thousands are in hospital. Aside from whether his actions helped or hindered this, it has been and remains serious sh*t. And policies now seem to be driven by saving his sorry behind. I genuinely have no idea how anyone who voted for him can swallow this. You would think the chance of a more sane Prime Minister of their party colour would be appealing. Can't still be about Brexit, surely?

 

[nicko31]

The Newsnight report from Bury made depressing viewing tonight. The assembled panel seemed well aware they were being lied to on a regular basis by our leaders but only one person suggested he was prepared to change his vote as a result. There was a real sense of fatigue. It’s a remarkable phenomenon. The 2019 election swung in part on remain voters being prepared to set that issue aside simply to see Brexit “resolved”. If the government can lie long and hard enough it seems the attendant scandals ultimately coalesce in the electorate’s minds. As we lack the collective bandwidth to process the relentless tide of turd, we ultimately shrug and move on.

Me. Tonight.

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The public became fatiqued with Brexit and in the end vast swathes gave up on the detail, they were just worn out and capitulated. Johnson is banking on a repeat performance...

 

[schmunk]

What a plum - anyone on here care to take ownership...?

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[Klaas]

What a plum - someone on here...?

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Baker Lite?

 

[The Clamp]

When I think of coming home after 14 hour night shifts and having to immediately wash all my clothes in special detergent, metaphorically drawing straws to decide which of our family went to my Stepdads funeral, nurses crying because there was no food for them in shops,

I and my colleagues driving from supermarket to supermarket at 8am trying to find decent food and also not getting a pass for special shopping times because we are non NHS social care.

People watching their loved ones die on Zoom?! All the while Johnson was partying with his pals. And another day comes around with him still in office. He should have been suspended while the enquiry takes place. But he’d probably love that, a chance to hide away.

 

[Frutos]

What a plum - anyone on here care to take ownership...?

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Pro-Brexit and lives in Gran Canaria - says it all.

 

[nicko31]

Pro-Brexit and lives in Gran Canaria - says it all.

No its Grand Canaria. Wonder if he speaks any Spanish?

 

[Is it PotG?]

No its Grand Canaria. Wonder if he speaks any Spanish?

Yeah, I bet he has a full English fry up every day and wears Union Flag shorts.

 

[Fat Boy Fat]

Pro-Brexit and lives in Gran Canaria - says it all.

Just goes to prove what we already knew, even a progressive club like Brighton has its fair share of for fans.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The Newsnight report from Bury made depressing viewing tonight. The assembled panel seemed well aware they were being lied to on a regular basis by our leaders but only one person suggested he was prepared to change his vote as a result. There was a real sense of fatigue. It’s a remarkable phenomenon. The 2019 election swung in part on remain voters being prepared to set that issue aside simply to see Brexit “resolved”. If the government can lie long and hard enough it seems the attendant scandals ultimately coalesce in the electorate’s minds. As we lack the collective bandwidth to process the relentless tide of turd, we ultimately shrug and move on.

Me. Tonight.

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Well, the Johnson gang still has 30% support so they have to live somewhere. Bury it is, then.

These people remind me of the mugs in the 80s who 'took advantage' of 'a bit of spare cash' by remortgaging, bunging it all on a dodgy time share then, after weeks of Panorama exposes, explaining how Brits were being conned, nevetheless set off, determinedly to Gatwick airport, only to be faced hours later by a grinning Spandiard at the gate of the villa saying 'No signor, this ees my house. You go away, please". The Bury voters still imagine they are on their way to Sunny Uplands, and will continue to do so for a bit. Maybe when their utility bills go up they may think again. Either way, the horrible truth may eventually dawn on them. Perhaps they will still claim that Jermy Corbyn stole their sunny uplands. Delusion is seductive.

 

[BBassic]

Baker Lite?

Too many fully formed sentences for it to be him.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

When I think of coming home after 14 hour night shifts and having to immediately wash all my clothes in special detergent, metaphorically drawing straws to decide which of our family went to my Stepdads funeral, nurses crying because there was no food for them in shops,

I and my colleagues driving from supermarket to supermarket at 8am trying to find decent food and also not getting a pass for special shopping times because we are non NHS social care.

People watching their loved ones die on Zoom?! All the while Johnson was partying with his pals. And another day comes around with him still in office. He should have been suspended while the enquiry takes place. But he’d probably love that, a chance to hide away.

But he got Brexit done.

Just in case anyone occasionally wonders how the Germans let Hitler crack on with his madcap genocide, just read the posts of those on NSC who are still backing Johnson. And thus it was, and always will be. The other end of the gene pool, people equipped with the programming to survive, come what may, keeping their heads above water while gazing derisively at the weakness of those who are drowning, and declaring that everything is for the best.

 

[portlock seagull]

Have you read Collapse by Jared Diamond? (Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed). Its an excellent book, ostensibly looking at how environmental destruction led to societal collapse, with Easter Island the prime case study but as he looks further and at different examples (modern-day as well as historic) he identifies five common factors that contribute to the collapse of societies: environmental damage, climate change, hostile neighbors, loss of trading partners, and the society's responses to its problems. A recurrent problem in collapsing societies is a structure that creates "a conflict between the short-term interests of those in power, and the long-term interests of the society as a whole." resulting in a societies' loss of faith in its leaders.

It's a really interesting and powerful book, and every since reading it I've viewed things like brexit, the rise of trump and Johnson or our response to climate change, within this prism.

Thanks for this KG, I shall look it up. Sounds extremely interesting.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Well, the Johnson gang still has 30% support so they have to live somewhere. Bury it is, then.

These people remind me of the mugs in the 80s who 'took advantage' of 'a bit of spare cash' by remortgaging, bunging it all on a dodgy time share then, after weeks of Panorama exposes, explaining how Brits were being conned, nevetheless set off, determinedly to Gatwick airport, only to be faced hours later by a grinning Spandiard at the gate of the villa saying 'No signor, this ees my house. You go away, please". The Bury voters still imagine they are on their way to Sunny Uplands, and will continue to do so for a bit. Maybe when their utility bills go up they may think again. Either way, the horrible truth may eventually dawn on them. Perhaps they will still claim that Jermy Corbyn stole their sunny uplands. Delusion is seductive.

And in most cases it's a one way street. Once you've put all your chips on the johnson, brexit bandwagon. You've told all your friends and family and you've convinced yourself there's a selfless narrative for what you've done. It's way easier just to keep going, whatever the incompetence and provocation and just keep providing yourself with ever more spurious reasons to back him. Especially when there a soothing press to provide balm to your ever more tortured mind.

The next election is far from won for Labour

 

[The Clamp]

But he got Brexit done.

Just in case anyone occasionally wonders how the Germans let Hitler crack on with his madcap genocide, just read the posts of those on NSC who are still backing Johnson. And thus it was, and always will be. The other end of the gene pool, people equipped with the programming to survive, come what may, keeping their heads above water while gazing derisively at the weakness of those who are drowning, and declaring that everything is for the best.

It couldn’t happen here. Could it?


















Oh.

 

[CheeseRolls]

When I think of coming home after 14 hour night shifts and having to immediately wash all my clothes in special detergent, metaphorically drawing straws to decide which of our family went to my Stepdads funeral, nurses crying because there was no food for them in shops,

I and my colleagues driving from supermarket to supermarket at 8am trying to find decent food and also not getting a pass for special shopping times because we are non NHS social care.

People watching their loved ones die on Zoom?! All the while Johnson was partying with his pals. And another day comes around with him still in office. He should have been suspended while the enquiry takes place. But he’d probably love that, a chance to hide away.

You know it wasn't just the partying. In normal circumstances Carrie and Lulu should NEVER be in the cabinet office. Carrie maybe once at a pre-arranged time for a tour. The casual nature of this just displays extraordinary slack security.
This is basic security 101 the principle of least privilege. At this time there was a critical biosecurity risk, capable of bringing government business to a halt. There was arguably a need to keep a core of ministers and officials working together in a confined space. Johnson like everyone else had/has the right to go home and see his family, keeping these two things separate in these circumstances is really very simple and straightforward. There are locked doors and three flights of stairs apparently. He/they got it horribly wrong.

Some people have it in for him and will never forgive or forget, but many more would have given him the benefit of the doubt if he had been honest about it, owned up mistakes were made and promised he would learn from it. The lies and self denial just take this to another level.

The idea that he got most of the big decision right, is again delusional. It is excusable only in as much as the circumstances were so unprecedented, I am not sure any would could genuinely have managed that. 37bn written off on track and trace, 4.2bn written off on fraudulent support claims, world leading Covid deaths, which of these support the claim to getting the big decisions right?

 

[nicko31]

And in most cases it's a one way street. Once you've put all your chips on the johnson, brexit bandwagon. You've told all your friends and family and you've convinced yourself there's a selfless narrative for what you've done. It's way easier just to keep going, whatever the incompetence and provocation and just keep providing yourself with ever more spurious reasons to back him. Especially when there a soothing press to provide balm to your ever more tortured mind.

The next election is far from won for Labour

It is far from won for Labour and we have jerrymandering and voter suppression of the poor to come. Winning isn't enough until you win forever

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

It is far from won for Labour and we have jerrymandering and voter suppression of the poor to come. Winning isn't enough until you win forever

It genuinely is like, where Trump goes, this tory government follows closely behind

 

[A1X]

Some people have it in for him and will never forgive or forget, but many more would have given him the benefit of the doubt if he had been honest about it, owned up mistakes were made and promised he would learn from it. The lies and self denial just take this to another level.

But let's not forget the most surprising thing about this, he genuinely believes he did nothing wrong. It's pretty obvious, there's photographic evidence that he did something wrong, but he STILL refuses to believe it.

And even then, if he still genuinely believes he's not done anything wrong at all, the public by and large believe he has. And in the past that would have been more than enough for him to have been for the high jump. John Profumo arguably did nothing wrong, but the mere perception that he might have was enough to force him out of politics and public life in general.