clapham_gull
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I remember them all and that's a depressing post.
Depressing that what's been going on has become so normalised in your mind.
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I remember them all and that's a depressing post.
Depressing that what's been going on has become so normalised in your mind.
Deportivo Seagull
I should coco
A number of journos were at the party and so kept it quiet. It was down to a whistleblower.
How about you not being a dick and actually engaging your brain. It was held at number 10. Either he knew it happened and ignored it which means he’s unfit to lead. If he didn’t know about it then it means he can’t control his staff and so he’s unfit to lead. Two scenarios which show he’s a ****. You defending him only reinforces the view that he’s a ****.
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Seagull58
In the Algarve
I have been living abroad and so chose not to vote from a distance. I also didn't vote in the Brexit referendum. I have read through the entire thread and I follow the news.
Pretty pink fairy
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Where did i say I was defending him , why has it taken a year to surface ?
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DF
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I am not going to condone any of those actions you mention but what we have now is not just a bunch of liars but a bunch of inept liars who then treat the country with absolute contempt when thy are found out . Its an absolute disgrace and anyone who can't see that .... sorry lost for words at that point.
Boris took the decision to praise the woman who resigned for her 'good' work , does he not understand the public feeling and that another big slice of people will say I am not going to follow rules because the government doesn't. I guess he could not call her out for it because he will have sanctioned it but he should have just kept quiet.
That's very unfair on Major, it wasn't his cash for questions, it was Hamilton and Smith who were caught up in the scandal. Major forced Hamilton to resign his ministerial position and put pressure on both Smith and Hamilton to stand down in the 1997 election (Smith did, Hamilton refused and got soundly trounced by Martin Bell).
Major had no part in the brouhaha though and tried to hold a strict moral line. That's very different from the current situation where Johnson is right at the heart of several dodgy financial deals (note that we still don't know who paid for his Mustique holiday or his flat redecoration)
Deportivo Seagull
I should coco
Well your post certainly imply that and Why should it matter? As they say better late than never.
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Indeed as a rampant anti-Tory, I have a great deal of respect for John Major.
I know someone who works for the Welsh Assembly, where Neil Hamilton was an elected member until recently, who confirmed what a &*£# he really is.
Milano
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We don’t know who leaked it, there is every chance that the person’s position has now changed since then, either been wronged or grown a conscience.
I was on the same table as his wife at a dinner once - what a piece of work she is. They deserve each other
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If you follow the news, either the Portuguese News has a strange view on British Politics, or you don’t follow the news very closely.
Lies is an understatement, and none of the other three you mentioned above can hold a candle to this lot. I detested Thatcher and what she did, but she was honest and straight as a die. Blair’s governments did a great deal of good stuff and, for me, the war stuff was the only blot. Major was a decent bloke, it was other people who screwed it up.
This lot are lies, hypocrisy, self serving and looking after their donors, corrupt, and treating people like sh1t. And apart from all that it is the most incompetent government in my memory…… and I’m 68. Our Prime Minister and our government are a laughing stock across the world.
Seemed a 'good egg' - but then he went and privatised the railways, which even Thatcher shied away from.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
As I pointed out earlier in the thread, it’s all a set up.
£2.6 million for a press room that’s never been used, Allegra is married to the editor of the Statesman who is best man to Rishi Sunak, and vice versa.
Why would she resign over a party he denied ever happened?
nicko31
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Quite, Johnson is on a completely different level. He represents nothing but self interest, a hideous human being
She's married to the deputy editor of The Spectator, a very different beast to The New Statesman
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i haven't read either but as both claim to be the leading political and cultural magazine one of them must be for liars....
can you elaborate on your opinion about them
clapham_gull
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They brought her in because she was an experienced journalist (and broadcaster) and politically onside.
However (as the rehearsal video showed) when placed in front of her ex-peers to answer questions she was utterly useless at it.
Clearly not used to lying in her previous career, she was better at interviewing them
Shunted into a non-role as COP2020 spokesperson and kept the salary.
I feel mildly sorry for her for being thrown under a bus, but not very much.
Should have stuck to what she was good at and not taken a pay cut to rub shoulders with power. With power comes responsibility and she found that out today.
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The Spectator is right wing - increasingly so. It used to be pretty centre-right but has moved to the headbanger wing of the party. The Staggers is the leftie equivalent - pretty middle-of-the-road left
clapham_gull
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There will be more resignations over the next few weeks, if the PM wants to remain "consistent".
I'm 99% confident the first person was nothing to do with it, not so much joking about the event but much joking at the possibility of having to answer questions about it.
Next to go will be those "deemed" to have lied to PM about it.
The problem the PM now has is a new one. How do I balance throwing people under a bus, with the likelihood more will be revealed about me by "friends" of those I have sacked ?
This story isn't going anywhere just yet. Four parties under investigation with possibly a bit of a fall out externally if guests to Downing Street on other matters unexpectedly found themselves having a few after meeting drinkies.
I'm 99% confident the first person was nothing to do with it, not so much joking about the event but much joking at the possibility of having to answer questions about it.
Next to go will be those "deemed" to have lied to PM about it.
The problem the PM now has is a new one. How do I balance throwing people under a bus, with the likelihood more will be revealed about me by "friends" of those I have sacked ?
This story isn't going anywhere just yet. Four parties under investigation with possibly a bit of a fall out externally if guests to Downing Street on other matters unexpectedly found themselves having a few after meeting drinkies.
Max Hastings in June 2019
" We can’t predict what a Johnson government will do, because its prospective leader has not got around to thinking about this. But his premiership will almost certainly reveal a contempt for rules, precedent, order and stability."
"Yet his graver vice is cowardice, reflected in a willingness to tell any audience, whatever he thinks most likely to please, heedless of the inevitability of its contradiction an hour later."
"Johnson would not recognise truth, whether about his private or political life, if confronted by it in an identity parade."
"If the Johnson family had stuck to showbusiness like the Osmonds, Marx Brothers or von Trapp family, the world would be a better place. Yet the Tories, in their terror, have elevated a cavorting charlatan to the steps of Downing Street, and they should expect to pay a full forfeit when voters get the message."
And from October 2012
" I would not trust him with my wife nor – from painful experience – my wallet."
A modern day Mother Shipton. And so it all came to pass.
" We can’t predict what a Johnson government will do, because its prospective leader has not got around to thinking about this. But his premiership will almost certainly reveal a contempt for rules, precedent, order and stability."
"Yet his graver vice is cowardice, reflected in a willingness to tell any audience, whatever he thinks most likely to please, heedless of the inevitability of its contradiction an hour later."
"Johnson would not recognise truth, whether about his private or political life, if confronted by it in an identity parade."
"If the Johnson family had stuck to showbusiness like the Osmonds, Marx Brothers or von Trapp family, the world would be a better place. Yet the Tories, in their terror, have elevated a cavorting charlatan to the steps of Downing Street, and they should expect to pay a full forfeit when voters get the message."
And from October 2012
" I would not trust him with my wife nor – from painful experience – my wallet."
A modern day Mother Shipton. And so it all came to pass.