And this is how everyone should vote. It shouldn't be down to single policies (Brexit) or charismatic leaders (Johnson) - you should vote for who most broadly is likely to do the sorts of things you prefer. Trouble is, many don't see the broader picture in this way - it's all distilled into soundbites or unswerving loyalty.
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[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...
- Thread starter TomandJerry
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There wouldn't be a Tory Shadow Cabinet though - Lib Dem would be the 'official opposition'.
Pevenseagull
meh
- Jul 20, 2003
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I can see the headlines in The Mail ... Lib Dems lose Tiverton And Honiton as Conservatives triumph in areas of North Devon
- Oct 17, 2008
- 14,563
One thing I’ve learnt and not forgotten is what the polls say compared to what people do in the ballot box. Corbyn should’ve won by a landslide.
nicko31
Well-known member
Still a long way out and a lot can happen.
I just pray we really have learnt from the Johnson period and a message is sent that you can never take a country forward with a regime whose very foundation is based on lies.
Like many I have reservations about what Labour will be like, but honesty and integrity would be a good start and from there we rebuild from the ashes
- Oct 17, 2008
- 14,563
And it is this kind of non-partisan objective thinking which gets me labelled as a Tory by more cretinous elements.
Cannot wait to see the Tory scum booted out. In a just world they should all be hauled before the courts.
But I’ll settle for ousting them.
But I’ll settle for ousting them.
A labour win is not guaranteed though. There are many out there who still think they
Tory’s can do no wrong.
Tory’s can do no wrong.
- Jul 10, 2003
- 27,778
*cough* SNP *cough*
- Oct 17, 2008
- 14,563
The polling put Corbyn so many points ahead. Then look what happened.
nicko31
Well-known member
Remember when May was 20 points ahead and it all went to shit over social care. Then there was 1992 when Kinnock thought he'd done it and it all imploded at the last minute. Ain't taking anything for granted and nor will Starmer...
Me too. Pink tory. Or champagne socialist. For the record I rejoined labour a few weeks after Starmer became leader.
Annoying to know that the Tory scum will spend the next two years trying to discredit Starmer and his goals instead of actually doing their job.
Two more years of Tory criminals in charge. Ugh.
Two more years of Tory criminals in charge. Ugh.
The 'alright' moment - when I knew labour would lose
Somehow I can't imagine such tinpot tomfoolery from Steir Kalmer
- Oct 17, 2008
- 14,563
The first Labour leader I want to vote for.
- Oct 17, 2008
- 14,563
You aren’t a champagne socialist. You are more one of the most real and honest posters on here with political content.
- Oct 17, 2008
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Part of winning hearts and minds (aka the art of politics) is not referring to the opposition as scum. People vote for what they feel (predict) is better for them. Labour needs to learn this. They are RELYING on “Tory scum” in order to win the election.
I am not trying to win anyone’s hearts or mind. They are scum and I shall refer to them as such, as and when I please
I’d like to see them ploughed into a f***ing ditch but I realise that’s not the right thing to say either.
I pull no punches when it comes to a criminal organisation masquerading as a government who have overseen the decline of the U.K, the Brexit lie, the family tax evasion, the stealing form the public pot to fund your own defence against breaking your own laws, breaking your own laws, the mini budget that cost my friend his house …the list is endless.
Scum? Scum!?? They are getting off lightly in my opinion.
Corbyn only ever led a handful of opinion polls, and almost none of them consecutively.