[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[monty uk]

Truss upto ~90% implied probability of winning.

Oh well, she surely won't be worse than Big Dog, and should provide plenty of comical moments in-between some potentially very difficult times too, so every cloud.

It's just so sad that the best the Tories can offer up to replace the buffon are those two - out of a cast of 380.

And potentially extremely damaging to the economic and social fabric of this country. It's not just the Tory party that are screwed, it's the rest of us going about our daily lives. I've never known such animosity and hatred to a bunch of twisted politicians such as we have at the moment.

If you laid all corrupt Tories down nose to tail --- it would be better to leave them that way.

 

[TomandJerry]

Looks like Rishi shot himself in the foot

Cllr Hutton told BBC News that he felt Rishi Sunak "interrupted too much", while Liz Truss was "calm and collected".

Hutton said he has "enormous respect" for Sunak, but the debate should not have been about shouting down the opposition. "It should have been about policies", he added.

Fiona Mounsey, another Conservative party member, said: "I found it quite unpleasant how Rishi Sunak kept cutting across Liz Truss".

Mounsey said Truss "came across as much more controlled, much more professional", while Sunak came across as "quite arrogant".



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[schmunk]

Aah, the reliable old 'moron' voters again.

Do you always announce yourself when you enter a room?

 

[Since1982]

Quite the most depressing spectacle last night watching the two stooges trash each other, not a shred of integrity nor any grasp of the big issues. If they represent the best of the best in the Conservative Party then it demonstrates perfectly the disaster that Johnson and the rest of the English Nationalists / Brexit extremists have brought about.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Her main quality is that she is not Boris Johnson.

Things are already getting very bad. With Johnson at the helm for another two years, we’d be facing many disasters. Perhaps, we won’t be facing as many problems with Truss (or Sunak).

From an opposition perspective, Johnson has already lost his party the election in 2025. Truss will lose the Tories the election in 2030 and possibly 2035 by her astonishing incompetence and even worse public image, especially if Labour bring in a preferential voting system.

Here’s hoping with the making Tories unelectable bit.
I fear she could be even worse than Johnson in everything but the lying and deceit.
But she plans to control the unions at a time when public sympathy could well be with the unions.
She plans to cut taxes while still levelling up - cloud cuckoo land.

 

[Audax]

Looks like Rishi shot himself in the foot

Cllr Hutton told BBC News that he felt Rishi Sunak "interrupted too much", while Liz Truss was "calm and collected".

Hutton said he has "enormous respect" for Sunak, but the debate should not have been about shouting down the opposition. "It should have been about policies", he added.

Fiona Mounsey, another Conservative party member, said: "I found it quite unpleasant how Rishi Sunak kept cutting across Liz Truss".

Mounsey said Truss "came across as much more controlled, much more professional", while Sunak came across as "quite arrogant".

It's an interesting one. I didn't watch all of it, caught the end 10-15 minutes. Within that snapshot, I thought *both* of them were too keen to interrupt and talk over each other. It's one of those, though, where I think perception works against the male side of things. Male interrupting / talking over female = bullying / browbeating / imposing. Female interrupting / talking over male = standing up for themselves. The reality is it's just plain rude and wrong whether you're male or female.

 

[TomandJerry]

Tory members think Truss beat Sunak in BBC debate, and outscored him on all measures bar being best PM, poll suggests

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[Harry Wilson's tackle]

It's just so sad that the best the Tories can offer up to replace the buffon are those two - out of a cast of 380.

And potentially extremely damaging to the economic and social fabric of this country. It's not just the Tory party that are screwed, it's the rest of us going about our daily lives. I've never known such animosity and hatred to a bunch of twisted politicians such as we have at the moment.

If you laid all corrupt Tories down nose to tail --- it would be better to leave them that way.

Commie!

I know what you mean, albeit these two did at least sound like they have stumbled across some mantras that they have decided they can believe in, which contrasts with Johnson who believes in nothing, and for whom at least 20% of what he says is made up on the spur of the moment. Breathtaking lies, even in parliament, and delivered with such vim that nobody questions him (till later, if ever).

The difference between two dullards and the one pathological lying psychopath (which is what Johnson is) was palpable. Call me a mug but I feel ever so slightly relieved. I no longer feel we are under the yoke of a man who would destroy everything for short term personal gain. I'm not sure that it is widely recognised what sort of bullet we have all now dodged.

 

[schmunk]

Tory members think Truss beat Sunak in BBC debate, and outscored him on all measures bar being best PM, poll suggests

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Surely "best PM" is the only measure that counts...?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Tory members think Truss beat Sunak in BBC debate, and outscored him on all measures bar being best PM, poll suggests

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I would agree with that. Nobody likes a mansplaining male equivalent of Hermione Grainger.

 

[Gwylan]

I no longer feel we are under the yolk of a man who would destroy everything for short term personal gain.

There's no need to over-egg everything.

 

[usernamed]

She plans to cut taxes while still levelling up - cloud cuckoo land.

The trouble is she can do exactly that, anyone can. It just involves increasing our national debt massively.

Yes, that’s the same national debt that it was so important to reduce under Osborne, to the extent that we were barely allowed public services any more.

It beggars belief that this hillbilly, dysfunctional political party of inbred hedge fund managers are considered suitable to be allowed their own door keys, let alone be trusted with running our country.

I take no pleasure in it. The Conservative Party has a proud history, and there’s much in its history to commend it for, but what’s left of it is to politics what a multicolour puddle outside a late night takeaway is to fine dining.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

There's no need to over-egg everything.

 

[rippleman]

Although we must acknowledge the elephant in the room. That being that the country is in unsustainable debt and that politicians keep adding to it because they want to be elected.

The population is ageing and the NHS is creaking. It's easy to go ra ra ra for likes, but not so easy to face the problem.

My belief is that there needs to be a huge spending review and major cuts in government spending.

It's how that is done and where the priorities are (no £200m royal yachts...). The ill and vulnerable should be top of the priority list. The only question I would ask is whether or not the NHS is providing some services it wasn't intended for (i.e things a proper community would be doing amongst itself). It's a tough one. But I'm certainly not in favour of charging for hospital stays.

I tend to take a more Socialist view of tax and spending. But I do know this country is spending what it doesn't have- and a future generation will be poorer for it.

We could have built and equipped four new hospitals for the £4bn of crap PPE obtained through the dodgy "friends and family" contracts. FOUR bloody hospitals.

Cabinet ministers should be like members of Lloyds and be held personally responsible for wasting taxpayers money as a result of incompetence or corruption.

Four bloody hospitals. And yet none of them give a shit. I have not heard / read one word of apology from a government minister for their corruption and incompetence.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Aah, the reliable old 'moron' voters again.

To be fair, given the shite that some people spout (on social media AND real life), I would say the description 'moron' is pretty accurate. Naive, gullible or ill-informed, if you prefer.

 

[Audax]

We could have built and equipped four new hospitals for the £4bn of crap PPE obtained through the dodgy "friends and family" contracts. FOUR bloody hospitals.

Cabinet ministers should be like members of Lloyds and be held personally responsible for wasting taxpayers money as a result of incompetence or corruption.

Four bloody hospitals. And yet none of them give a shit. I have not heard / read one word of apology from a government minister for their corruption and incompetence.

That would have got Boris 10% of the way to his 40 new hospitals promised... (vapourware promise...)

 

[monty uk]

Somebody mentioned that Sunak and Truss in particular, suffer from the Dunning-Kruger effect.

Which might be summarised as: "they don't know what they don't know".

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

The trouble is she can do exactly that, anyone can. It just involves increasing our national debt massively.

Yes, that’s the same national debt that it was so important to reduce under Osborne, to the extent that we were barely allowed public services any more.

It beggars belief that this hillbilly, dysfunctional political party of inbred hedge fund managers are considered suitable to be allowed their own door keys, let alone be trusted with running our country.

I take no pleasure in it. The Conservative Party has a proud history, and there’s much in its history to commend it for, but what’s left of it is to politics what a multicolour puddle outside a late night takeaway is to fine dining.

Beautifully put!

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

I think that's a good thing.

Slagging off your upbringing isn't a good look.

Rishi gets the first and only clap of the night!

A lack of discretion in the private medical industry, blimey!


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[Kinky Gerbil]

Tory members think Truss beat Sunak in BBC debate, and outscored him on all measures bar being best PM, poll suggests

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Yet the country polls suggests Sunak.