[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[dazzer6666]

The left is just doing what any opposition do, holding the government to account. That's what happens in an open democracy

The usual protocol is most in the UK is the print media are just Tory government fanzines, so the opposition have to shout louder to get heard.

Even today we still have the Sun and the Telegraph ignoring the story.

Telegraph has two articles on it’s front page online.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

The left is just doing what any opposition do, holding the government to account. That's what happens in an open democracy

The usual protocol is most in the UK is the print media are just Tory government fanzines, so the opposition have to shout louder to get heard.

Even today we still have the Sun and the Telegraph ignoring the story.

Both have reported the story many times. Your final sentence rather proves my point. FWIW I am impressed by the job being done by Keir Starmer. Measured and civilized opposition. The same cannot be said for many Labour Party supporters. As ever they are the potential own goal.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I can have some sympathy with the first bit, but the bolded bit? Come on.

Starmer does nothing - he's a completely ineffective leader, what's the point of him.

Starmer, and Labour in general point out this appalling, lawbreaking hypocrisy - don't mention the war.

Labour need to absolutely muller him. He's clearly an utter scumbag, just as their Deputy Leader said. I bet I can go back to May 2020 and find plenty of quotes on NSC calling anyone breaking lockdown rules exactly that.

It turns voters off though. Personally I think Starmer sets the right tone. All he has to do is provide a contrast to Johnson’s devil may care approach. A safe pair of hands. Just my view though. If he turns it into a big confrontation he risks inadvertently uniting the Tories and losing the election.

 

[clapham_gull]

All the newspapers have covered the party stories prominently. However (according to Private Eye), The Current Bun would rather we stopped talking about lockdown parties completely since it had a bit of an internal issue itself.

It's nothing to do with a media cover-up or Murdoch protecting the PM. The Sun love a bit of sleaze.

 

[Lenny Rider]

How long can this go on without Boris getting the bullet?

General Election still a way off, but all those Tories who won former Labour strongholds will be mindful that you have to win two successive General Elections to qualify for the Westminster final salary pension, will they have a hope in hell with Boris in Number 10 and a decent labour Leader?

 

[Hugo Rune]

Both have reported the story many times. Your final sentence rather proves my point. FWIW I am impressed by the job being done by Keir Starmer. Measured and civilized opposition. The same cannot be said for many Labour Party supporters. As ever they are the potential own goal.

The point is, it’s not splashed all over the Sun’s front page, it’s about third on their website and is not ‘headline’ news. It’s hard to find many other UK news organisations that are not leading on it. This is obviously because they are still backing Johnson. That said, if they move to support Starmer, they would seemingly only make the move prior to the election when political campaigning takes the spotlight.

 

[aolstudios]

Both have reported the story many times. Your final sentence rather proves my point. FWIW I am impressed by the job being done by Keir Starmer. Measured and civilized opposition. The same cannot be said for many Labour Party supporters. As ever they are the potential own goal.

Potential & deliberate with many, shamefully

 

[Guinness Boy]

It turns voters off though. Personally I think Starmer sets the right tone. All he has to do is provide a contrast to Johnson’s devil may care approach. A safe pair of hands. Just my view though. If he turns it into a big confrontation he risks inadvertently uniting the Tories and losing the election.

"Voters" are all different though.

I personally find Johnson carrying on as if nothing applies to him a massive turn off. Say what you like about Thatcher, at least she had integrity.

There are a hard core of (probably ex) Labour voters who don't want to be lectured or have a Nanny State - I totally get that. But there are opportunists on the right who use that to get away with anything.

 

[rippleman]

Indeed. The fact that The Express has this on their front page and The Mail have been highly critical of Johnson for a while now shows the direction of travel. It's just how long is the journey ?

I think Johnson's journey would have been over by now, or at least on its last legs, if he had lost the last lot of covid restriction votes before Xmas.

We can't overlook that the Leader of the opposition whipped his MPs into supporting the government thereby prolonging the tenure of this lying, corrupt, immoral PM. Yes, we would still have a Tory government but at least it wouldn't have been led by this total ****wit.

Don't like Johnson? Want him gone? Blame Starmer that he is still there.

 

[Audax]

Labour lead is dropping back - guess we will see

Obviously got some time to go before the next election. It was 6pt lead for Labour, a slight drop back to 5pt, will be interesting to see where it heads after this week. Tory position in the polls won't need to deteriorate much more before we'll be seeing Boris facing a challenge.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I think Johnson's journey would have been over by now, or at least on its last legs, if he had lost the last lot of covid restriction votes before Xmas.

We can't overlook that the Leader of the opposition whipped his MPs into supporting the government thereby prolonging the tenure of this lying, corrupt, immoral PM. Yes, we would still have a Tory government but at least it wouldn't have been led by this total ****wit.

Don't like Johnson? Want him gone? Blame Starmer that he is still there.

Johnson's arrogance prevents him from resigning. It will be his own MPs going to the 1922 committee that will do for him.

 

[nwgull]

I think Johnson's journey would have been over by now, or at least on its last legs, if he had lost the last lot of covid restriction votes before Xmas.

We can't overlook that the Leader of the opposition whipped his MPs into supporting the government thereby prolonging the tenure of this lying, corrupt, immoral PM. Yes, we would still have a Tory government but at least it wouldn't have been led by this total ****wit.

Don't like Johnson? Want him gone? Blame Starmer that he is still there.

Thankfully, Starmer is a grown up that doesn't play politics at every opportunity.

 

[JBizzle]

I think Johnson's journey would have been over by now, or at least on its last legs, if he had lost the last lot of covid restriction votes before Xmas.

We can't overlook that the Leader of the opposition whipped his MPs into supporting the government thereby prolonging the tenure of this lying, corrupt, immoral PM. Yes, we would still have a Tory government but at least it wouldn't have been led by this total ****wit.

Don't like Johnson? Want him gone? Blame Starmer that he is still there.

In part I agree, but I also disagree. You're saying that to score political points Starmer should have rejected the safeguards put in to save lives? I 100% think Johnson should go. He's awful in all the ways you mentioned, but what will do for him is the 1922 Committee and nothing else. I firmly believe Starmer voted the correct way and for the correct reasons. As a side benefit, it did weaken Johnson within his own party and it will cost him the job. I just don't think trading citizens well-being for political wins is right or proper. Funnily enough, I think that's precisely what Johnson will do because that's all that will prolong his time as PM.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

He does what he wants
He does what he waaaannnnntttsssss
That blonde **** Johnson
He does what he wants.

 

[nicko31]

Obviously got some time to go before the next election. It was 6pt lead for Labour, a slight drop back to 5pt, will be interesting to see where it heads after this week. Tory position in the polls won't need to deteriorate much more before we'll be seeing Boris facing a challenge.

To get Brexit done they needed a liar to pull it off and probably only Johnson could have duped with public with such spectacular success. But that done albeit with an unfolding skip fire, he is increasingly a liability for them now, will be gone soon

We will soon have a new leader that will claim the last 12 years was nothing to do with them and its time for a new dawn

 

[Audax]

I think Johnson's journey would have been over by now, or at least on its last legs, if he had lost the last lot of covid restriction votes before Xmas.

We can't overlook that the Leader of the opposition whipped his MPs into supporting the government thereby prolonging the tenure of this lying, corrupt, immoral PM. Yes, we would still have a Tory government but at least it wouldn't have been led by this total ****wit.

Don't like Johnson? Want him gone? Blame Starmer that he is still there.

Huh? You want Starmer to play politics with our lives by blocking necessary health measures just so we get Boris removed? No thanks - I personally think Starmer did exactly the right thing. If he'd whipped the party the other way he'd likely have a) faced a sizable rebellion himself, b) annoyed more of the electorate than he please, c) given the Boris a really useful attack line to use to "muddy the waters". Not to mention the talk floating around pre-Christmas was that the only reason the letters hadn't gone into the 1922 yet was because the Tory rebels are biding their time - they don't want to do during a period of time when imploding the party would be seen as a bad move because of the Omicron wave. So IMO it was largely irrelevant what Starmer did or didn't do pre-Christmas - Boris would still be here either way.

As it stands, Labour are currently "clean" as far as news stories are concerned, and Boris' only attack lines are the same old tired, worn out phrases that Starmer has to a large extent neutralised by *not* doing what you suggested. And the Tories, meanwhile, look to be facing another round of highly damaging leaks that should soon result in Boris being removed as PM by his own party.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

To get Brexit done they needed a liar to pull it off and probably only Johnson could have duped with public with such spectacular success. But that done albeit with an unfolding skip fire, he is increasingly a liability for them now, will be gone soon

We will soon have a new leader that will claim the last 12 years was nothing to do with them and its time for a new dawn

By dismissing views with which you disagree in such a contemptuous manner you are still proving my point. Your post sums up the confrontational approach that leads many to vote Tory.

 

[Dick Head]

 

[Machiavelli]

I couldn't remember what I was doing around 20th May 2020.

Then I realised the Cummings live press conference in the No 10 garden was five days later on the 25th May.

That whole thing was brewing and they threw a party.

Anyone remember this on the 24th ?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ivil-service-arrogant-offensive-a9530706.html

Thanks for this. I was wondering when that rose garden thang occurred. Might explain why Cummings advised it was a bad idea but, then again, Cummings is out of it now and trying to paint himself as the good guy, when he was one of the brilliant forces behind Brexit, along with Farage.

As to the widespread view on here that the Tories will ditch Johnson pre-election, on balance, I think it's unlikely: they've been through three leaders in 11.5 years, and the electorate might be becoming a bit tired with this particular game. It also means that there will be a protracted leadership campaign, and I think the electorate will view that even more poorly. They and we are stuck with him for up to another 35 months.

 

[Greavsey]

Now just waiting for a Covid press conference to be announced where they will no doubt have discovered that Omicron (or a new variant if he's feeling really creative) is again horrific and will need to look at enhancing Covid measures.

Cue tomorrow morning and a media meltdown speculating about a lockdown just enough to get Boris off the front pages... I'm far from a Covid conspiracy theorist, it all just seemed very convenient before Christmas when there was the initial heat on BJ!