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[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...
- Thread starter TomandJerry
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Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Papa Lazarou
Living in a De Zerbi wonderland
He often does, because despite his jokes, he seems a decent person.
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Machiavelli
Well-known member
Unlike others, I agree. We own this. It's only us that can get us out of it. And we'll have to be smart about it.
I have my doubts that we'll be able to make the substantial changes that we need but, in order to do so, we need to understand where we are, the enormity of getting out of where we are, and the difficulty of doing so.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...tarmer-worse-choice-for-pm-than-boris-johnson
This is frankly hard to believe. But it is in The Guardian.
"Boris Johnson makes a better prime minister than Keir Starmer would despite Partygate, the cost of living crisis and the confidence vote in Johnson held by his MPs, according to the latest Observer poll."
It might change after good results in Wakefield and Tiverton & Honiton?
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keaton
Big heart, hot blood and balls. Big balls
- Nov 18, 2004
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I assume BoJo would support him
https://www.disabilitynewsservice.c...icise-tory-peers-who-made-disablist-comments/
This Brexiteer isn't going to blame the EU. This Brexiteer blames Johnson for ****ing up the leaving deal.
But when I voted for Brexit I thought we would negotiate a sensible deal, remain in the single market etc. Along the lines of ol' mother May's deal. I had no clue that the ****wit Tory MPs would bin off May and replace her with the incompetent, criminal lying bungle****. Given his history, it didn't occur to me for one moment that the Tory party and its MPs would all have taken leave of their senses at the same time.
Tory members and Tory MPs are to blame for where we are now. They, and they alone, are responsible for lumbering us with the worst PM in our history.
Stato
Well-known member
- Dec 21, 2011
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'They alone' seems a bit of a reach given that he subsequently won a landslide in a general election. Don't those who voted for the tories with him as leader, and those who made the Labour Party public enemy number one in a lot of Northern Towns have any responsiblity?
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As I have said before, I hope to see the back of Johnson ASAP.
But if he survives to contest the next election, and somehow even wins it (God help you all), will the know all, repetitive, tar all Tories with the same brush brigade, who want to change the electoral rules to suit their narrative, and see themselves as the only people with a moral compass that counts for anything, actually take a long hard look at both themselves and their kind?
‘Cos if you cannot beat this crock of shit then you had best give up.
nwgull
Well-known member
Whilst it's true that Tory members and MPs made him PM, they were only responsible for making him PM in a very weak government. The people responsible for making him PM with a majority sufficient to implement all his policies were the deluded Corbyn and Swinson for facilitating a GE, and ultimately the electorate in 2019. Having said that, it was a horrible choice given in 2019 of either Johnson or Corbyn. The only positive I took from watching that election night coverage was that Corbyn's Labour got trounced so it at least put a stop to all the momentum silliness and let the adults back into the room on the opposition benches at least.
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Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
Good post. Well, I agree entirely anyway - although I did vote to stay in the EU at the time and have since changed my view to being outside the EU but inside the EEA agreement.
The entire mess isn't Brexit at all - Brexit done well would be great - it is the terrible hard Brexit, the internationally friendless deal that Johnson imposed on us.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
The Home Office should learn to read properly. At least 7 have been removed from the flight and the 'lefty lawyers' didn't even have to fight it.
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I can believe it, because I'm of the belief that Starmer is a poor opposition leader. I happen to think he'd be a great PM, but I can understand how a large portion of the electorate who aren't paying enough attention to political doings would equate his poor performance as oppo leader to poor potential as a PM.
Also ... my feeling is "better PM" polls tend to favour the incumbent. The same poll has Starmer with a much, much better approval rating than Boris and yet still comes out with Boris rated as the better PM. There's a mismatch there, and I think that's explained by the psychology of people being able to better imagine Boris as PM because ... he's already PM. Putting Starmer in that role requires a lot more thought processing.
nicko31
Well-known member
Johnson is good at campaigning (that's all he does) but crap at governing. Starmer is and would be the opposite if he won an election
We need to decide what type of country we want to be, if we continue on this path we will see a further decline as a nation (that is if the nation survives as an entity)
What exactly is 'Brexit done well' then?
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
I think it is similar to the Trump situation in 2020. The more vocal people were shouting their undying love for Trump whereas the silent majority were just waiting to go to the voting booths.
What make you think Starmer (and his shadow cabinet) would be good at governing? He seems to be happy dishing out the criticism
I'm assuming an EEA / EFTA type Brexit. Which I do genuinely believe is a position the majority of people in this country could get on board with provided it was sold properly. Sure there'd be the more militant edge on either side who wouldn't like it. I could get on board with it, for example, and I was firmly in the Remain camp.