[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[darkwolf666]

Also on local issues, the Conservatives regained control of Pendle council last Thursday, from no overall control, even though they were fighting seats last fought only a year ago after a full council election. Yes, local issues were involved, but it shows the Tories aren't sliding as much as they might be.

One thing that is often forgotten on here, simply because of where Brighton is. Money. Apart fromthe foodbanks issue that affect basically the very poorest in both places, the average person in Brighton is relatively rich, and can afford policies like Green party (electric cars, air cooled domestic boilers, and so forth); there is a lot less money in the north. It's easy to live in a metropolitan bubble and propose these policies, such as retention of unnecessary civil servants, when you have the cash to afford them.

Why are the cheapest Brighton season tickets £90 more expensive than the most expensive Burnley season tickets? Why is the cheapest Brighton under-10 ticket only £5 cheaper than the cheapest Burnley under-22 ticket? It's money. You have a lot more of it down there.

Labour policy at present is essentially that people who don't work for the government should pay more taxes to subsidise people who do. It's that ethos that cost them all the red wall seats last time and it won't do them any goo dthis time, even though Johnson appears (in practice if not in theory) to share the same ethos.

Which just goes to show, what ever part of the country you live in people will always vote for the party that they think will have the least effect on them directly.

Perversely, that isn’t always the case, whether it be the affluent south or less so north, modern politics is governed by what the individual voter can gain and not the public at large.

As a PS I find it almost as hard to believe you come from Burnley as I do that Swansman comes from Sweden!

 

[nicko31]

Also on local issues, the Conservatives regained control of Pendle council last Thursday, from no overall control, even though they were fighting seats last fought only a year ago after a full council election. Yes, local issues were involved, but it shows the Tories aren't sliding as much as they might be.

One thing that is often forgotten on here, simply because of where Brighton is. Money. Apart fromthe foodbanks issue that affect basically the very poorest in both places, the average person in Brighton is relatively rich, and can afford policies like Green party (electric cars, air cooled domestic boilers, and so forth); there is a lot less money in the north. It's easy to live in a metropolitan bubble and propose these policies, such as retention of unnecessary civil servants, when you have the cash to afford them.

Why are the cheapest Brighton season tickets £90 more expensive than the most expensive Burnley season tickets? Why is the cheapest Brighton under-10 ticket only £5 cheaper than the cheapest Burnley under-22 ticket? It's money. You have a lot more of it down there.

Labour policy at present is essentially that people who don't work for the government should pay more taxes to subsidise people who do. It's that ethos that cost them all the red wall seats last time and it won't do them any goo dthis time, even though Johnson appears (in practice if not in theory) to share the same ethos.

Only £90 cheaper than the Amex, I'd call that a rip off

 

[nicko31]

So can we know conclude when it comes to Covid rules, No10 Downing Street is the biggest rule breaking dwelling in Great Britain and Northern Ireland?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

They do tax big corporations. Maybe not as much as you would like, but BP for example paid or will pay £1bn in North Sea taxes this year.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61304001#:~:text=BP says it expects to,for more than 50 years.

The Civil Service union has been in the news quite a lot recently. It represents the people who are not sending out passports, the people who are not sending out driving licences, the people who are not answering the phone, the people who are not answering tax questions. And the unions say they don't want to go back to work because they don't see what advantage it has for them.

I doubt that sacking these people is going to cause any meltdown. There may be many reasons for a prospective Tory meltdown, but if Labour were to stand up and declare their support for the people who aren't doing their jobs properly at the expense of those who are, it wouldn't cost the Tories votes.

Anyway, is it really true that the desk-bound civil servant is among "the poorest folk"?

Yes it is. My wage when I retired 7 years ago was £18K on the top level. It’s not just passports or DVLA but the Criminal Justice system like court clerks, admin for the lawyers etc.
It’s been decimated. In fact more than decimated, reduced by 30%.

 

[TomandJerry]

Now confirmed.

Stormont fails to elect a new speaker:

The Stormont Assembly has failed to elect a new speaker after the DUP said it would not support the process as part of its protest against the Northern Ireland protocol.

The move will stop the devolved assembly from being able to function.

Over to you, Boris!

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[WATFORD zero]

Most of those working on the "coal face" do work hard. The problem is that they are hamstrung by appalling management which gets progressively worse the higher it gets. HMRC staff have come up with ideas to resolve a lot of problems, issues and delays and the management ignores them. The staff are given really crap, untested IT systems that give them real headaches.

I said to the Inspector I spoke to yesterday to get his senior manager to call me and I would discuss matters with him. The Inspector laughed. "You know what will happen don't you? Nothing! They will never call you back". He is right. Management don't want to actually take the responsibility they are being paid to take.

Where HMRC staff (and other civil servants) are letting themselves down, and why they will lose public support, is because of their refusal to go back to work. As the Inspector said yesterday "HMRC is an office based organisation. It can't work properly with the majority of staff staying at home".

The one thing I have found, across organisations of all sizes is that they reflect the culture of the senior leadership team.

Generally, the larger the organisation, in order for it to work efficiently, the more important it is that the leadership team make strategic, long term decisions as part of a well thought out overall plan taking into account all information currently available, and then follow it up with really well planned tactical steps to see the plan come to fruition.

Throughout, they must keep fully abreast of any changes to the situation and make adjustments at a tactical level in order to meet the overall strategic plan and keep on track. Panic knee-jerk, short term measures with no regard to the overall objectives, causing large amounts of unnecessary change and work (often circular in fashion reversing earlier panic measures) will destroy the efficiency and motivation of even the smallest of organisations.

 

[Bodian]

Also on local issues, the Conservatives regained control of Pendle council last Thursday, from no overall control, even though they were fighting seats last fought only a year ago after a full council election. Yes, local issues were involved, but it shows the Tories aren't sliding as much as they might be.

This Pendle? Where the Tories held on to control, but with a reduced majority?? Unless something had happened prior to this since the 2021 elections?



https://www.burnleyexpress.net/news/politics/tories-hold-pendle-in-tightly-fought-council-election-3683835

 

[dsr-burnley]

This Pendle? Where the Tories held on to control, but with a reduced majority?? Unless something had happened prior to this since the 2021 elections?

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https://www.burnleyexpress.net/news/politics/tories-hold-pendle-in-tightly-fought-council-election-3683835

What happened was since the 2021 elections. In the 2021 election, the Tories won 18 seats and the rest, 15. Since when 2 Tories were unable to continue to act and resigned, and one so-called Tory was unable to believe in his election "promises" and chose to become a Labour councillor without submitting himself to re-election (he still has 3 years to go). So we had 15 Tories, 16 others before the recent election.

In the recent election, the two vacant seats were both won (or retained, if you like) by the Tories and there was 1 Tory gain and 1 Tory loss. Hence it is now 17 Tory, 16 others. The BBC page is ignoring the vacant seats and is counting the turncoat elected-as-a-Tory-but-stuff-the-electorate man as a Tory seat lost at the election.

 

[Bodian]

What happened was since the 2021 elections. In the 2021 election, the Tories won 18 seats and the rest, 15. Since when 2 Tories were unable to continue to act and resigned, and one so-called Tory was unable to believe in his election "promises" and chose to become a Labour councillor without submitting himself to re-election (he still has 3 years to go). So we had 15 Tories, 16 others before the recent election.

In the recent election, the two vacant seats were both won (or retained, if you like) by the Tories and there was 1 Tory gain and 1 Tory loss. Hence it is now 17 Tory, 16 others. The BBC page is ignoring the vacant seats and is counting the turncoat elected-as-a-Tory-but-stuff-the-electorate man as a Tory seat lost at the election.

Blimey - what a to-do!!

 

[Audax]

I see Boris is back to beating the drum that we should all go back to the office.

And making the classic mistake of assuming that because his experience WFH = X, that X is true. Well no - what you say Boris tells us more about you than it does about anyone else.

 

[The Clamp]

I see Boris is back to beating the drum that we should all go back to the office.

And making the classic mistake of assuming that because his experience WFH = X, that X is true. Well no - what you say Boris tells us more about you than it does about anyone else.

Something about getting cheese out of the fridge. Anyway, we all know what Johnson does when he’s working from home. He yells at his pregnant partner, chats with Putin and his pals and holds illegal parties.

Because he’s a ****.

 

[essbee1]

I see Boris is back to beating the drum that we should all go back to the office.

And making the classic mistake of assuming that because his experience WFH = X, that X is true. Well no - what you say Boris tells us more about you than it does about anyone else.

Indeed.

And Boris, we're not all undisciplined, uncontrolled, lying, obese cretins like you, you wan*er.

"he [Boris] became distracted by making coffee and eating cheese."

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

I see Boris is back to beating the drum that we should all go back to the office.

And making the classic mistake of assuming that because his experience WFH = X, that X is true. Well no - what you say Boris tells us more about you than it does about anyone else.

If Johnson spends all his time when working walking slowly to the fridge to get cheese then it explains clearly why everything he does is all headline and no substance.

He's a very lazy chancer.

 

[Bodian]

"he [Boris] became distracted by making coffee and eating cheese."

I believe we have a thread specifically for him!

https://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/showthread.php?301768-Bell-Cheeses-at-work&highlight=bell+cheeses+office

 

[stewart12]

Something about getting cheese out of the fridge. Anyway, we all know what Johnson does when he’s working from home. He yells at his pregnant partner, chats with Putin and his pals and holds illegal parties.

Because he’s a ****.

i'm sure he squeezes in a tommy tank/shag a mistress as well

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

Coffee is more of a distraction in the office because I get so bored of staring at my computer in silence I get up and go to the kitchen more frequently then at home.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Most of those working on the "coal face" do work hard. The problem is that they are hamstrung by appalling management which gets progressively worse the higher it gets. HMRC staff have come up with ideas to resolve a lot of problems, issues and delays and the management ignores them. The staff are given really crap, untested IT systems that give them real headaches.

I said to the Inspector I spoke to yesterday to get his senior manager to call me and I would discuss matters with him. The Inspector laughed. "You know what will happen don't you? Nothing! They will never call you back". He is right. Management don't want to actually take the responsibility they are being paid to take.

Where HMRC staff (and other civil servants) are letting themselves down, and why they will lose public support, is because of their refusal to go back to work. As the Inspector said yesterday "HMRC is an office based organisation. It can't work properly with the majority of staff staying at home".

What’s the reason for it being an office based organization?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Why are the cheapest Brighton season tickets £90 more expensive than the most expensive Burnley season tickets? .

Is the answer benefits?

 

[dadams2k11]

Alexa - say "Boris Johnson Carrot Coffee Bean 100" in welsh.

Thank me later. [emoji6]

 

[Pevenseagull]

Tories represented by Tim Loughton on Politics Live today.


Desperate times.