[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[beorhthelm]

The problem was people not getting enough income to live on. Foodstamps won't help with that. People who are in need, through no fault of their own, need a minimum income coming in.

no the problem was use of food banks, and peoples basic provision of food. getting "enough" income is a much larger and more complex issue and inevitably goes off down a rabbit hole of wider politics.

 

[CHAPPERS]

None for Johnson this time around?

Wasn't alleged to have been at this one, which I think is the one Stratton got pushed out for making light of.

 

[Chicken Run]

Also a shame you show your true (blue) colours with the takeaways, ready meals, Sky and fags jibe, so lazy!

Shame yet again you dive straight in without understanding what “””” are, I was quoting Clapham Gull you tool [emoji2357]


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[Chicken Run]

That website is so far from reality it's scary. Both the prices and the portions are wrong.

As for 'learn to cook PDQ' - some people can cook, others can't and never will be able to. In the same way I can't do plumbing and never will be able to. The Tory MP that raised this is a complete cvnt with no idea what the real world is.

Plumbing [emoji23][emoji23] really, a specialist trade, compared to cooking spaghetti bolognaise, [emoji2357]


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[The Clamp]

I think people take comfort in blaming people who for example, can't cook, who are lazy, who have no elan.

It's a more comfortable option than self reflection or blaming the government of the day. If the government can get things so badly wrong it puts people in a very insecure, fearful state.

Far less frightening to blame the nugget munchers and the school gate smokers.

 

[TomandJerry]

The Metropolitan Police have issued more than 50 new fines for breaches of Covid rules in Downing Street and other government buildings.

The Fixed Penalty Notices come in addition to more than 50 handed out last month, including to Boris Johnson and Chancellor Rishi Sunak.

In a statement, the force said its investigation "remains live". Further fines are expected to follow, but no timescale has been given.

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[GrizzlingGammon]

Everyone who can heat a ready meal has the technical skill to cook a chicken. I did not suggest that it would be a meal for everyday - after all, even today we surely don't define poverty as "can't afford the Sunday roast every day of the week" - but even if it was, the roast chicken dinner will serve 4, the broth from the carcase will make another meal for 4, so that's 75p per meal. (Plus about 6p per hour to run a gas cooker, per google, so that adds a few more pence.)

There's a bit of a disconnect between where this all started and where this has got to. On page 651 of this thread, usernamed posted a case study of a man living in poverty, on a little more than minimum wage and who had no benefits at all - not even family allowance for his child who he had shared custody of. And even though he was several thousand light on the benefits he should have had, and was paying £12k per year housing costs with no housing benefit, he still had £50 per week, £5 per person per day, for the weekly shop.

Now we're talking about people who don't have £1 per person per day as a normal situation. How has this happened? Is it that people literally don't have income, or that they spend it on something else, or that other peoples' benefits are even more astray than usernamed's case study? There can be no solution till we identify what's causing the problem.

Further increased inflation. Significant electricity and gas prices increases since then?

 

[Stato]

Just read the arguments about how easy it is to roast a chicken and it reminded me that I read this a week or so back:

https://www.theguardian.com/food/20...-mean-chicken-could-soon-cost-as-much-as-beef

Would the cooking instructions be the same for a street pigeon?

 

[The Clamp]

I live alone (go on, make your jokes) so even though I don’t earn much, I don’t find it a huge struggle to feed just me. God alone knows how someone on my income would feed a family properly.
Luckily now with the advent of he food bank baskets in supermarkets I can now take advantage of multi deals without waste. One for me, one for them.

What a state we have got into, where nurses cannot even feed their children. Weren’t the Tory’s saying they were Britain’s heroes a year ago? Now they can starve while the Rotters Club quaff wine and have affairs.

 

[Springal]

More than 100, probably fairly junior staff being issued PCNs. Plenty of dirt from demotivated staff to be released out into the public soon?

 

[Billy the Fish]

Well of course it helps to be able to cook. Of course.

That's Portugal though. Different culture, And culture's don't just change overnight.

Learning to cook is one part of a complex solution. We also need to address the cause. And the cause of food poverty is NOT the inability to cook.

Valid points, it is absolutely down to the culture difference and attitudes towards food. Also it's a catholic country so big families, lots of siblings, aunts, uncles and cousins who generally look after each other, will be the same in Spain and Italy.

It would definitely help in Britain if people were better educated about food and food prep, so far anyone who suggests it on this thread is pooh poohed. I accept it's not the root cause but as you say it is part of the solution.

As an aside, maybe the women in Portugal are good cooks but as in a lot of Mediterranean countries, in general Portuguese men are mothered and coddled by the women and grow up to be big babies who can barely stir their own coffee.
Anyway, as you were.

It's an extreme example and it's certainly not everyone, but from what I've seen there is some truth in this.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I love the culinary advice on here from some who are backing a ministers claim that cooking skills are the answer to the cost of living crisis.

Put a Chicken which is probably under 2 kilos in an Oven and then run that Oven for 3 hours. Meanwhile use more electricity or gas to boil other vegetables

Take the chicken carcass, boil it in water and that's soup, that is

 

[Billy the Fish]

I love the culinary advice on here from some who are backing a ministers claim that cooking skills are the answer to the cost of living crisis.

Put a Chicken which is probably under 2 kilos in an Oven and then run that Oven for 3 hours. Meanwhile use more electricity or gas to boil other vegetables

Take the chicken carcass, boil it in water and that's soup that is

Grow up you sad troll.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Grow up you sad troll.

If you are going to give 'advice' to people who are struggling financially, make it well thought out and worthwhile or else it simply appears that you have no idea what it's really like, a bit like the MP who started this discussion

And try not to be rude or insulting

 

[Billy the Fish]

If you are going to give 'advice' to people who are struggling financially, make it well thought out and worthwhile or else it simply appears that you have no idea what it's really like, a bit like the MP who started this discussion

And try not to be rude or insulting

I'm just responding to your usual behaviour on this forum - turn up in a thread, twist people's words out of context, take a veiled swipe at specific posters and then complain when someone abuses you for it. It's just all so snide.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

More than 100, probably fairly junior staff being issued PCNs. Plenty of dirt from demotivated staff to be released out into the public soon?

The junior scapegoats should sing like canaries if 'Big Dog' gets away with anything.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I'm just responding to your usual behaviour on this forum - turn up in a thread, twist people's words out of context, take a veiled swipe at specific posters and then complain when someone abuses you for it. It's just all so snide.

I'll simply leave your post here, with no twisting of any words

Don't throw away the veg water, boil the chicken carcass in it and you've got soup for a week.

The sun is out, have a good afternoon

 

[darkwolf666]

Shame yet again you dive straight in without understanding what “””” are, I was quoting Clapham Gull you tool [emoji2357]


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My mistake for mixing up the quotes, apologies.

However your sentiment remains the same, as per the Tory MP, it is the fault of those who are struggling...

This is a rehash of the Norman Tebbit "get on their bikes" speech and shows total lack of the fact not everyone is the same, or even as able.

 

[beorhthelm]

Valid points, it is absolutely down to the culture difference and attitudes towards food. Also it's a catholic country so big families, lots of siblings, aunts, uncles and cousins who generally look after each other, will be the same in Spain and Italy.

It would definitely help in Britain if people were better educated about food and food prep, so far anyone who suggests it on this thread is pooh poohed. I accept it's not the root cause but as you say it is part of the solution.

wonder how much bearing that has on this and related subjects.
i'm surprised how controversial it is to suggest being able to cook might help towards cost of living. it doesnt get the food of course.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

It would definitely help in Britain if people were better educated

I agree.