[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[West Hoathly Seagull]

Oh, please, please let it be Truss - it will be a total car crash.

You're right, Ellwood or Tugendhat wouldn't win but they're the sort of candidates that the Tories should be looking at. All current cabinet members will be damned by association.

I still think Hunt ... I'm not much of a gambler but I had a quiet fiver on him a few weeks ago

Ellwood, Tugendhat or Hunt on a 'Get Brexit Undone' platform ?

If Hunt wins, I would definitely expect both Tugendhat and Ellwood to get senior Cabinet positions (possibly Foreign and Defence Secretary). However, if all three stand, they will cancel each other out, with probably none of them getting through to the final two.

 

[Audax]

If Hunt wins, I would definitely expect both Tugendhat and Ellwood to get senior Cabinet positions (possibly Foreign and Defence Secretary). However, if all three stand, they will cancel each other out, with probably none of them getting through to the final two.

Maybe (given his history) the best thing for Hunt to do is to act as kingmaker, rather than seek to be king. Throw his backing behind one or the other, and do what he can to bring the third onside as well. From what has been trickling out so far, it really does appear to me that the only reason Boris is still PM right now is because those opposed to him simply haven't got themselves properly organised yet. If Tugendhat, Ellwood, and Hunt were to get together and put forward a united "back us if you want Boris gone" alternative, that might just provide the moderates in the party with something to get behind.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

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[The Clamp]

I have rarely felt the urge to protest but I would support civil unrest to oust this government. I’d be quite happy to see Boris Johnson catch a few bricks with his teeth.

 

[The Clamp]

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Unfortunately they won’t. They said they’d do the same when the Gray Report was published. They didn’t then and they won’t now. Toothless hounds.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Unfortunately they won’t. They said they’d do the same when the Gray Report was published. They didn’t then and they won’t now. Toothless hounds.

I thought he would go a couple weeks ago, I’m back on the side of he isn’t going anywhere.

Polls are showing less people care about parties

Letters are still not in and even then I don’t think he would lose a vote

The PPE money thing whilst very annoying and clearly there was bungs left right and centre won’t make a mark, people demanded we got PPE in what ever the cost at the time.

 

[The Clamp]

I thought he would go a couple weeks ago, I’m back on the side of he isn’t going anywhere.

Polls are showing less people care about parties

Letters are still not in and even then I don’t think he would lose a vote

The PPE money thing whilst very annoying and clearly there was bungs left right and centre won’t make a mark, people demanded we got PPE in what ever the cost at the time.

I honestly never thought he was going anywhere. He has stated he intends to have a longer tenure than Thatcher and I reckon he will. He is a man that seems to get what he wants and has a lot of interested parties to support him. For his manifold disgraces he does seem to have a clumsy ability to make a lot money for people. Billions as it turns out.

He’s played this perfectly. And it makes me sick to the pit of my balls. It’s amazing what someone can achieve when they simply do not give a flying **** about people’s opinion of them.

 

[rippleman]

If your cat has 'funny' hair and makes no sense, I'm in

My cat takes his personal grooming extremely seriously.

But he is totally unpredictable and displays psychopathic tendencies. When Raystede warned me that "he lashes out" they weren't joking.

 

[rippleman]

PMQ's. Literally pointless.

For those more educated than me, is there any incentive for a PM to actually provide an answer to the question instead of the standard "I think what the people of this country care about more is....."

I appreciate you could say "the public would see he is not answering questions"....but he did the same in all the pre-election debates and that didn't seem to matter.

But most of the Tory ministers behave exactly the same whether in Parliament or on tv / radio. They shout across interviewers with there "what the people care about." nonsense to avoid answering the question. I don't know whether it is because they don't know the answers to any of the questions or because if they answered the question honestly, Johnson would be sacking them.

I would like to see the Speaker far more proactive in insisting the PM and ministers actually answer the questions asked or it will continue to be a pointless shambles.

Could make it like being in the witness box in Court. If you give a false answer or refuse to answer you are potentially held in contempt. Impose relevant financial penalties. That would sort the buggers out.

 

[essbee1]

I have rarely felt the urge to protest but I would support civil unrest to oust this government. I’d be quite happy to see Boris Johnson catch a few bricks with his teeth.

Me too. 100%.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I honestly never thought he was going anywhere. He has stated he intends to have a longer tenure than Thatcher and I reckon he will. He is a man that seems to get what he wants and has a lot of interested parties to support him. For his manifold disgraces he does seem to have a clumsy ability to make a lot money for people. Billions as it turns out.

He’s played this perfectly. And it makes me sick to the pit of my balls. It’s amazing what someone can achieve when they simply do not give a flying **** about people’s opinion of them.

To many of the people that wanted him out didn’t even put in letters, Last time he was asked David Davis hadn’t even done it after calling him out.

No one has been organised or brave enough to challenge him.

 

[The Clamp]

To many of the people that wanted him out didn’t even put in letters, Last time he was asked David Davis hadn’t even done it after calling him out.

No one has been organised or brave enough to challenge him.

Hearbreaking isn’t it.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Hearbreaking isn’t it.

Yep, I’ve no idea what the tipping point will be.

The problem is as a country we are actually in a much better place than most of the world, now it seems that’s not down to Johnson as he wanted more restrictions, but it reflects well on him.

All he needs to do is keep on repeating Labour wanted more restrictions for longer and he gets people on side, enough people care more about that than parties, it also puts people off running the risk of having Labour in charge.

 

[Berty23]

I thought he would go a couple weeks ago, I’m back on the side of he isn’t going anywhere.

Polls are showing less people care about parties

Letters are still not in and even then I don’t think he would lose a vote

The PPE money thing whilst very annoying and clearly there was bungs left right and centre won’t make a mark, people demanded we got PPE in what ever the cost at the time.

Ipsos Mori data show people care about parties as much as ever.

https://twitter.com/kellyipsosuk/status/1488571789320101889?s=21

 

[beorhthelm]

To many of the people that wanted him out didn’t even put in letters, Last time he was asked David Davis hadn’t even done it after calling him out.

No one has been organised or brave enough to challenge him.

they will put in the letters when viable to do so. weigh up limping over the line to face a vote that he might win, verses a flood of letters that indicate the opposite.

 

[Gwylan]

Ipsos Mori data show people care about parties as much as ever.

https://twitter.com/kellyipsosuk/status/1488571789320101889?s=21

Someone from the BBC said that the traffic on their site on Monday (the Gray report debate) was at General Election level - there's still a lot of interest out there

 

[Pavilionaire]

PMQs today was nothing more than Boris Johnson trying to save his own skin. Starmer's initial question was swerved, he asked it a second time, it was again swerved.

Further references to Thelma and Louise, Dastardly and Muttley followed.

Once again, Ian Blackford tells it like it is.

The upshot is that if it was Boris's aim to pull some of his MPs away from submitting letters of no confidence then he just might have succeeded. His tirade of bluster clearly still hits the target with some backbenchers.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Ipsos Mori data show people care about parties as much as ever.

https://twitter.com/kellyipsosuk/status/1488571789320101889?s=21

Hasn’t that come down? I thought it was higher at one point?

 

[BBassic]

But most of the Tory ministers behave exactly the same whether in Parliament or on tv / radio. They shout across interviewers with there "what the people care about." nonsense to avoid answering the question. I don't know whether it is because they don't know the answers to any of the questions or because if they answered the question honestly, Johnson would be sacking them.

I would like to see the Speaker far more proactive in insisting the PM and ministers actually answer the questions asked or it will continue to be a pointless shambles.

Could make it like being in the witness box in Court. If you give a false answer or refuse to answer you are potentially held in contempt. Impose relevant financial penalties. That would sort the buggers out.

I think I said this earlier on in this thread but what I would love to see is the leader of the opposition just not bother showing up. Hell, I'd like to see none of the MPs from the other sides show up.

If Johnson is going to bullshit and bluster his way through, wasting everyone's time, then they should just shirk it completely and spend the time in their constituencies instead. Use that time to speak to people, find out what they need, what can be done to help them.

If Government want to sit there and slap themselves on the back despite clearly being the most inept, corrupt coterie of responsibility-shy c***ts ever to step foot in that chamber - let them do it alone.

 

[Berty23]

they will put in the letters when viable to do so. weigh up limping over the line to face a vote that he might win, verses a flood of letters that indicate the opposite. May local elections will be the time, when MPs will have clear indication if he is still an asset or not.

They have to balance up how long everything takes. If they wait until May then it could take months to get a new leader and then they are very close to running out of time for any legislation to get through this Parliament. So a new leader would be effectively running on someone else’s ticket. My feeling is that the tory party is split in a similar way to labour under corbyn. You either loved him or loathed him. If that m is correct then who would want to try and pick up the pieces?