[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[DataPoint]

This thread is a depressing manifest of the 21st century hate disease that has engulfed us - in fact, a perfect example.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Half of the press this morning, we all know which half, banging on about mob rule and threats to democracy.
And the blue rinses will be clutching their pearls even tighter.

FFS

They have a need to create an “enemy”.
An unseen and insidious threat to our “wonderful” way of life.
Quite a few tinpot regimes - and a few less tinpot - have done this over the decades.
1930’s Germany for one - Putin these days

Disagree with a fair old chunk of those reports, but there is clearly an issue currently, MPs, both Labour and Tories are needing extra security, MPs personal offices and houses are being targeted for protests, in some cases they have turned nasty.

We had the speaker come out last week saying he went against protocol due to worries over MPs safety, which meant a change in how something was voted on, this was asked for by Labour.

Labour's Angela Rayner 'no longer goes out' because of threats and was 'scared' by protest confrontation

The senior frontbencher says people can robustly debate and disagree as part of a healthy democracy, but insists the aggressive bullying and intimidation has to stop as she says she has reflected on her own past behaviour.

news.sky.com

That's not me agreeing with the Tories and on the more powers they clearly want, but there is more to this than party politics.

 

[BrianB]

Half of the press this morning, we all know which half, banging on about mob rule and threats to democracy.
And the blue rinses will be clutching their pearls even tighter.

FFS

They have a need to create an “enemy”.
An unseen and insidious threat to our “wonderful” way of life.
Quite a few tinpot regimes - and a few less tinpot - have done this over the decades.
1930’s Germany for one - Putin these days

I guess they are trying to distract from these figures , I'm aware that statistics can be tweaked but wtf ..

The Conservatives’ economic record since 2010 in 10 charts https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...mic-record-budget-deficit-gdp-tax-tory-budget

 

[WATFORD zero]

This thread is a depressing manifest of the 21st century hate disease that has engulfed us - in fact, a perfect example.

And what exactly, has changed your view on this thread from Starmer and Labour will be trampled underfoot (or worse) at the election

Sorry Mr James O'Brien and co - just as you were all celebrating your famous victory - your boy's are going to take one hell of a beating - Sir Keir is going to get his head crushed between Penny's thighs

Exciting - isn't it! Trouble is - the creep never lost his deposit like the other two parties - sod even secured more votes overall than any other party - everything in his favour right now, init? ...Yeah... but just wait 'tlll the gen election, he wont find it so easy then - will he?

It's incredibly exciting isn't it! - in less than 18 months, Kier will be in Downing Street and England will be ruled from Scotland. Least, that's what I'll be voting for - wont you?

to 'they're all as bad as each other'. It certainly seems to have engulfed someone

 

[Zeberdi]

I posted yesterday that on the face of it, without thinking deeply about it, just letting it wash over me, Sunk sounded great. I even had something in my eye at one point.

I did immediately wonder what this presaged though. I mused about more police powers, then got on with the cooking.

And there you have it. Drop your guard and these smooth talking bastards will steal someone's freedom. Sunk has no limits and a very persuasive confident manner. He betrays himself only when he drops his guard, snarling at Starmer like the class bully.

Here is the real Sunk. And remember, labour have not been in charge for 14 years. Why all the hate?

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Don't let this bastard lie his way into your heart.

I’m glad you have revised on your earlier comments on the Galloway thread H - I must admit I was a bit surprised to hear you applaud Sunak yesterday (see my response on that thread re, curtailment of democracy; Cruellaesque dog-whistling to stir up anti-Palestine sentiments in order to re-energise public support for a Tory Government that has vetoed every effort for a UN resolution on a ceasefire in Gaza) - I know we differ slightly in our nuance and emphasis in that debate but using the Prime Minister’s podium as a blatant propaganda attempt to further the Tories election aspirations, to the point of threatening democratic freedoms, and blatant dog-whistling is the lowest of the low imo. The only threat to democracy in recent years has been Sue Braverman’s back door legislation restricting civil rights and freedom to demonstrate and now Sunak magnifying terror threats on UK soil (which have been extremely well dealt with by security forces since 9/11) and creating a climate of fear as a justification to silence debate and protest that contradicts their policy stance. It’s the sort of tactic I expect from Putin, not a leader of a liberal democracy.

- stalwart Labour man that you are, I will put the temporary admiration for Sunak down to a Friday night lapse in concentration

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I guess they are trying to distract from these figures , I'm aware that statistics can be tweaked but wtf ..

The Conservatives’ economic record since 2010 in 10 charts https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...mic-record-budget-deficit-gdp-tax-tory-budget

Some shocking data there. The tax cutting tories take tax to an all time high. Net legal migration at an all time high (and almost all from outside the EU, while net migration wrt the EU is net emigration. The civilised Europeans flee as we embrace immigrants from outside the EU).

And yet all the tories go on about is illegal immigration.

This interested me. The yellow blob is the years of Lawson's Bust. High interest rates, high unemployment, low taxes..... that's the right wing tory wet dream. Instead we have low interest rates, low unemployment and high taxes. And every element of the economy and society weaponized.

The reality is eees complicated, but we need some grown ups back running the show. Please. Soon, please.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Disagree with a fair old chunk of those reports, but there is clearly an issue currently, MPs, both Labour and Tories are needing extra security, MPs personal offices and houses are being targeted for protests, in some cases they have turned nasty.

We had the speaker come out last week saying he went against protocol due to worries over MPs safety, which meant a change in how something was voted on, this was asked for by Labour.

Labour's Angela Rayner 'no longer goes out' because of threats and was 'scared' by protest confrontation

The senior frontbencher says people can robustly debate and disagree as part of a healthy democracy, but insists the aggressive bullying and intimidation has to stop as she says she has reflected on her own past behaviour.

news.sky.com

That's not me agreeing with the Tories and on the more powers they clearly want, but there is more to this than party politics.

I have pointed out that there have been just 36 arrests, which is fewer than the climate change protesters, Just Stop Oil, or even Glastonbury. Why does Sunak allow his MPs to stoke up culture wars like Braverman and Anderson, without censure?

Does he actually want something to happen?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I’m glad you have revised on your earlier comments on the Galloway thread H - I must admit I was a bit surprised to hear you applaud Sunak yesterday (see my response on that thread re, curtailment of democracy; Cruellaesque dog-whistling to stir up anti-Palestine sentiments in order to re-energise public support for a Tory Government that has vetoed every effort for a UN resolution on a ceasefire in Gaza) - I know we differ slightly in our nuance and emphasis in that debate but using the Prime Minister’s podium as a blatant propaganda attempt to further the Tories election aspirations, to the point of threatening democratic freedoms, and blatant dog-whistling is the lowest of the low imo. The only threat to democracy in recent years has been Sue Braverman’s back door legislation restricting civil rights and freedom to demonstrate and now Sunak magnifying terror threats on UK soil (which have been extremely well dealt with by security forces since 9/11) and creating a climate of fear as a justification to silence debate and protest that contradicts their policy stance. It’s the sort of tactic I expect from Putin, not a leader of a liberal democracy.

- stalwart Labour man that you are, I will put the temporary admiration for Sunak down to a Friday night lapse in concentration

You should know me by now. The chance that I have suddenly morphed into doe-eyed tory mutton (more sofa-bound and less red-faced than traditional gammon) would be, were I a betting man, slim to none.

I though it worthwhile to report my initial unfiltered reaction before considering the implications. Sunk will be speaking to the people so I am happy to take off my red spectacles for an occasional moment and let his words wash over me, listening as if I have the blank page of an uncommitted voter.

I used to do the same with Johnson. He was so funny and entertaining. But the lies eventually took me across the rubicon whereby I resisted all his charms and assumed everything he said was a lie, and inevitably it was.

I am not yet there with Sunk, so I am exploring the man and his weft. He's not a showman, more a Blair-like emoter (even his voice and diction are quite similar to Blair's, albeit he's yet to master the glottal stop). I am not sure what is agenda is yet, other than protecting tory money and the right for businessmen to graze the economy. He sounds much more in tune with 'ordinary' men and women than Johnson ever did, but Johnson made them all laugh so that didn't matter.

So, the dust settles, and Sunk is planning a crackdown. Fancy that. New powers to tackle the 'sinister forces of anarchy'. He has been given a get out of jail free card (or a get into jail card) by the small minority of 'river to the sea' and 'zionism=naziism' oafs, and has grabbed the opportunity with both hands.

Or has he?

I don't know what sort of crackdown he plans, and it could all go badly wrong. Stopping people marching is never a good idea. I suspect he may have made an error here. But the Mail and Express love it, so he is at least consolidating the blue rinse vote. He probably doesn't even need to do anything yet, simply stoke a new culture war.

As the dust settles....mmmmm.......he's still Sunk.

(Johnson was the lowest of the low. Sunk still has a few feet to drop - but I'm sure he can get there).

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

And what exactly, has changed your view on this thread from Starmer and Labour will be trampled underfoot (or worse) at the election







to 'they're all as bad as each other'. It certainly seems to have engulfed someone

Wow. Old data is the lowest of the low. From crushing the labour scum to 'they are all the same'. Text book tory-boy pub bore..

 

[Bodian]

And yet he supports the 'mob rule' of tory voting farmer's protests......

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I have pointed out that there have been just 36 arrests, which is fewer than the climate change protesters, Just Stop Oil, or even Glastonbury. Why does Sunak allow his MPs to stoke up culture wars like Braverman and Anderson, without censure?

Does he actually want something to happen?

The Police are ignoring a lot at the Gaza protests, I don't think blame can all be directed at the Tories.

It's completely snowballed from the first couple of weeks when they let stuff go.

 

[Nobby]

Disagree with a fair old chunk of those reports, but there is clearly an issue currently, MPs, both Labour and Tories are needing extra security, MPs personal offices and houses are being targeted for protests, in some cases they have turned nasty.

We had the speaker come out last week saying he went against protocol due to worries over MPs safety, which meant a change in how something was voted on, this was asked for by Labour.

Labour's Angela Rayner 'no longer goes out' because of threats and was 'scared' by protest confrontation

The senior frontbencher says people can robustly debate and disagree as part of a healthy democracy, but insists the aggressive bullying and intimidation has to stop as she says she has reflected on her own past behaviour.

news.sky.com

That's not me agreeing with the Tories and on the more powers they clearly want, but there is more to this than party politics.

Nothing to do with the Right Wing press and "enemies of the people" stuff surrounding Brexit of course

This has been festering for a long while - and with the Lee Anderson's of this world becoming deputy of the Conservative Party, what the hell do people expect.

Hypocritical bstd Sunak and his ilk

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The Police are ignoring a lot at the Gaza protests, I don't think blame can all be directed at the Tories.

It's completely snowballed from the first couple of weeks when they let stuff go.

Snowballed to what exactly?

MI5 has said most of the investigating and prosecutions are coming from the extreme right wing.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Nothing to do with the Right Wing press and "enemies of the people" stuff surrounding Brexit of course

This has been festering for a long while - and with the Lee Anderson's of this world becoming deputy of the Conservative Party, what the hell do people expect.

Hypocritical bstd Sunak and his ilk

Of course he is a hypercritical tosser.

But what we've seen in recent weeks is mainly down to the events unfolding in Gaza and the position of our MPs on it.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Snowballed to what exactly?

MI5 has said most of the investigating and prosecutions are coming from the extreme right wing.

I know you like to try and blame the Government and it's apparent far right stance, but surely you accept the raised threats to MPs recently has not been from those scumbags.

 

[Nobby]

I know you like to try and blame the Government and it's apparent far right stance, but surely you accept the raised threats to MPs recently has not been from those scumbags.

The point is that after 9 years of the sh*tshow that was Cameron and May, (which was bad enough), the whole atmosphere of Government was dragged into the gutter by Johnson, then Truss and now Sunak.
Most people in this country are struggling with the failures of all of the above imbeciles, the trouble is the decent politicians left (on both sides) are feeling the aftermath and impact.
Dividing to rule hasn't worked and will not work (well hope not), but it has created, and will continue to create, deeper and wider divisions where extreme views are held. And when those views are held by some of the "Great Offices of State" we're a bit beggared
Scary times

 

[WATFORD zero]

I know you like to try and blame the Government and it's apparent far right stance, but surely you accept the raised threats to MPs recently has not been from those scumbags.

The divide and blame culture has been Government policy for the last five years (and from the vote leave campaign before they took over Government) in an attempt to take attention away from the serious incompetence and dishonesty which has resulted in huge long term economic, structural and welfare problems throughout Britain today.

Israel/Gaza is simply the latest focal point for this 'look over there' policy

30 mins to kick off

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I know you like to try and blame the Government and it's apparent far right stance, but surely you accept the raised threats to MPs recently has not been from those scumbags.

Where are the threats? Have we seen proof of threats apart from posts on the internet?
I remember Maria Caulfield getting all het up about some people from Lewes who dressed up as nuns singing ‘How do you solve a problem like Maria‘, from the Sound of Music. She complained they were taking the mickey out of her religion (Roman Catholic), when I doubt hardly anyone knew her denomination.
She complained to the police her office was vandalised, when a few stickers were placed on the door & windows, saying B*****s to Brexit, and that her pregnant assistant was terrified.
I haven’t exaggerated one bit but you’d think she was in real danger the way she carried on.

I don’t think any politician should feel threatened, but Sadiq Khan must feel threatened by Anderson and his lies.
Rishi Sunak should be asking for calm, but instead is allowing his MPs to say what they want without his condemnation. Weakly saying, it’s wrong is not good enough.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Oh, and Lucy Allan Tory MP, faked a death threat to her, on her FB page.

 

[jcdenton08]

Come on the Albion!