[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Hotchilidog]

After 13 years in power this is all they have got. An inhumane, in-effective, mean-minded, expensive bit of anti-virtue signalling to whip up hatred of other to distract from their complete and utter failure as government.

Just utterly wretched, a scum government.

 

[TomandJerry]

Sunak really is betting the house of this, its like its the only challenge facing UK Citizens

"Enemies of the People" the sequel coming soon...

 

[TomandJerry]

(Question from journalist) Your legal advice says ignoring a ECHR injunction will be illegal. So will you seek new legal advice?

Sunak says he will not let a foreign court (such as the European court of human rights) stop flights taking off. There are circumstances in which he would ignore a rule-39 order, he says.

But he says “there will always be individual circumstances where people rightly would expect us to examine the facts”.

 

[jimhigham]

Utter balls!

Rwanda wasn’t on the ballot paper when the last General Election was fought and we’ve a Prime Minister nobody voted for. They might be constitutionally able to pull this stunt in a parliamentary democracy but there’s no basis at all for asserting it’s the ”will of the people“.

 

[beorhthelm]

(Question from journalist) Your legal advice says ignoring a ECHR injunction will be illegal. So will you seek new legal advice?

Sunak says he will not let a foreign court (such as the European court of human rights) stop flights taking off. There are circumstances in which he would ignore a rule-39 order, he says.

But he says “there will always be individual circumstances where people rightly would expect us to examine the facts”.

the essence of this is the UK court (or minister?) can intervene on an interim measure. the basis, as thin as it is, seems to be the ECHR never set any such provision, it's never been passed through any statute. because UK deems Rwanda safe* any interim measure for sending someone there is not considered valid. not agreeing with any of it, just highlighting detail of the fag paper thin argumentm,which is quite fascinating in how its been contrived.

*safe here refers to something called refoulement, not general meaning of safe.

 

[ROSM]

But he says “there will always be individual circumstances where people rightly would expect us to examine the facts”.

i would hope we examine the facts in all decisions we make

 

[TomandJerry]

 

[TomandJerry]

Rishi Sunak and the Home Office have been reprimanded by the UK’s statistics watchdog over a misleading claim about the asylum claims backlog being cleared.

On 2 January the Home Office announced it had cleared the “legacy” backlog of asylum claims (defined as those submitted before June 2022, when the Nationality and Borders Act came into force). This was criticised as misleading because, as the Home Office admitted, 4,500 particularly complex cases had not been cleared. But Sunak went further later in the day when he posted a message on X implying the whole of the backlog had been cleared. Labour said that was a “barefaced lie”.

 

[rippleman]

The fact that over 6K Rwandans fled in 2022 to seek asylum in other countries with over 40 applying in the UK might suggest that Rwanda is not a particularly "safe" country.

I'm sure the Supreme Court will take that into account when they slap slippery Sunak back in his (very small) box.

 

[WATFORD zero]

It seems to me that 'will of the people' will be enacted by the House of Lords and British Judiciary by stopping a completely spineless, directionless, powerless, unelected PM from being shoved from pillar to post by a few swivel-eyed loons

If he really wants to enact 'the will of the people' he should call election today.

And what is all this Bollocks about the ECHR ?

It was the British Supreme Court who ruled this illegal and ruled Rwanda was unsafe. You know, that British court that we wanted to take back control

 

[TomandJerry]

What is all this Bollocks about the ECHR ?

It was the British Supreme Court who ruled this illegal and ruled Rwanda wa unsafe. You know, that British court that we wanted to take back control

Boris Johnson’s plan to send an inaugural flight of asylum seekers to Rwanda has been abandoned after a dramatic 11th-hour ruling by the European court of human rights.

Up to seven people who had come to the UK seeking refuge had been expected to be removed to the east African country an hour and a half before the flight was due to take off.


But a ruling by the ECHR on one of the seven cases allowed lawyers for the other six to make successful last-minute applications.

The decision is a significant and embarrassing blow for Boris Johnson and his home secretary, Priti Patel, who had promised to start sending thousands of asylum seekers 4,000 miles to the east African country in May.

It comes hours after the prime minister threatened to take the UK out of the ECHR and accused lawyers of aiding criminals exploiting refugees in the Channel.

 

[A1X]

If I was a deeply unpopular Prime Minister leading a deeply unpopular Government on course for electoral wipeout this year, who had never been made PM at the behest of the public and was trying to push through a policy the public are at best indifferent to and at worst appalled by, I’d be reluctant to claim “the will of the people” about anything.

But that’s just me.

 

[pb21]

Argh, FFS, will of the people's back.

 

[GJN1]

I'm just so tired of all this. It's exhausting listening to the ceaseless claptrap.

We need change.

 

[chickens]

There’s not a single person here (unless there’s a human trafficking Brighton fan lurking about, in which case f*** off) who wants these small boat crossings to continue.

However, a solution requires adult politics, international agreement, and a mixture of legal locations from which asylum seekers can claim asylum, plus a robust border control service, and effective enforcement, all of which would require massive investment in the Civil Service and tax increases to pay for them.

Similarly, unless we’re willing to start armed conflicts and enact regime change in countries that persecute sub-sections of their populace, the only way of reducing the number of genuine refugees and asylum seekers is via international aid. The same international aid that the Conservative Party cut around the time that the boat crossings started, and was hugely cheered by the right at the time.

Those are our options, international aid (carrot) or threats, sanctions and even armed conflict (stick).

There will be costs to the taxpayer either way, so I’m sure if I check the Telegraph, the Mail and the Times, they’ll be loudly demanding increased taxes.

I mean, they surely don’t take their readers for mugs, they couldn’t possibly be demanding all this extra staff, effort and diplomacy, and yet simultaneously be calling for tax cuts could they?

 

[Jim in the West]

I'm just so tired of all this. It's exhausting listening to the ceaseless claptrap.

We need change.

It is unbelievable how much time the UK Parliament has devoted to Brexit and related issues (immigration in particular) over the past 8 years. All this time (and money) at the expense of properly governing this country - providing effective healthcare, education, infrastructure, etc etc etc. Sunak was evoking the “will of the people” again this morning - well I can pretty much guarantee that what the people really want is a functioning society where the elderly are looked after, the sick can get treated in a timely fashion, the court system works, houses are built, public transport works (and is affordable), climate change is tackled, and so on.
What did we do to deserve this absolute horror-show of governance over the past decade? Please let it end…

 

[Cordwainer]

It is unbelievable how much time the UK Parliament has devoted to Brexit and related issues (immigration in particular) over the past 8 years. All this time (and money) at the expense of properly governing this country - providing effective healthcare, education, infrastructure, etc etc etc. Sunak was evoking the “will of the people” again this morning - well I can pretty much guarantee that what the people really want is a functioning society where the elderly are looked after, the sick can get treated in a timely fashion, the court system works, houses are built, public transport works (and is affordable), climate change is tackled, and so on.
What did we do to deserve this absolute horror-show of governance over the past decade? Please let it end…

Exfeckingactly..imagine if they’d put the same amount of effort, time and resource into actual governance rather than this utter obsession of theirs. #willies of the people.

 

[nicko31]

It is unbelievable how much time the UK Parliament has devoted to Brexit and related issues (immigration in particular) over the past 8 years. All this time (and money) at the expense of properly governing this country - providing effective healthcare, education, infrastructure, etc etc etc. Sunak was evoking the “will of the people” again this morning - well I can pretty much guarantee that what the people really want is a functioning society where the elderly are looked after, the sick can get treated in a timely fashion, the court system works, houses are built, public transport works (and is affordable), climate change is tackled, and so on.
What did we do to deserve this absolute horror-show of governance over the past decade? Please let it end…

I just hope the public are finally realising this lot are incapable to tackling the real challenges facing our country.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I just hope the public are finally realising this lot are incapable to tackling the real challenges facing our country.

But it's not just incapable of tackling them, they've actively created half of them

 

[lawros left foot]

The unelected Prime Minister has urged the unelected HOL to speedily pass his unpopular, some say unworkable, Rwanda Bill, as it is “ the will of the people “

The Bill,a cornerstone of Tory policy, is so popular with ‘the people’ that the Tory’s latest poll rating is a humongous 20%.

Are they so thick they believe their crap, or do they believe we’re so thick that we believe their crap?