TomandJerry
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- Oct 1, 2013
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They convinced enough people to vote for Brexit...
I wouldn't be totally shocked if enough people voted to leave the ECHR....
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[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...
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I wouldn't be totally shocked if enough people voted to leave the ECHR....
There’s loads we should be up in arms about TBH. The fact we aren’t is typical of the apathy of the British, the reason why nothing ever changes. Ten years from now people will be wanting to elect these Tory twats back into office.
Randy McNob
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Pevenseagull
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One of the five families?
Lyndhurst 14
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That's quite right. Most people seem more interested in Strictly, Bake Off and getting their triple cheeseburger from Deliveroo than showing the slightest interest in what's going on in this country. That is of course their right but it doesn't bode well for the future. If the Tories get re-elected, and I think there is still a chance of that happening, it will be that same apathy that will allow that to happen
That depends largely on what kind of a Government Keir Starmer leads, when he wins the next election and how good or bad a job they have done. It will also depend on what the Tory Party do in Opposition. Will they regain their senses and become a decent party of the centre right or will they remain a split rabble.
As the saying goes, a week is a long time in politics and ten years is rather longer.
I doubt very much that the Conservatives will win the next GE. In fact, I think they will get hammered.
It wouldn’t be ‘that same apathy’, that got them elected, but Labour’s failure to get their message across to the public that they are a credible party of Government who have ideas to change the country for the better.
Wise politicians on both sides of the political spectrum always remind their colleagues not to blame the electorate if and when their own party loses.
Machiavelli
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I beg to differ. The Mafia don't have the cover of the law, whereas water companies do.
The Clamp
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This all sounds lovely.
www.theguardian.com
Asylum seekers housed in UK hotels to have allowance cut to £1.25 a day
Tens of thousands of people waiting for claims to be processed could sink into destitution, charity warns
www.theguardian.com
HalfaSeatOn
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This all sounds lovely.
Asylum seekers housed in UK hotels to have allowance cut to £1.25 a day
Tens of thousands of people waiting for claims to be processed could sink into destitution, charity warns
A Merry Christmas to us all. God bless us, everyone.
Nobby Cybergoat
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JUST PROCESS THE F****** APPLICATIONS, THEN YOU WON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR HOTELS OR ALLOWANCESThis all sounds lovely.
Asylum seekers housed in UK hotels to have allowance cut to £1.25 a day
Tens of thousands of people waiting for claims to be processed could sink into destitution, charity warns
The Clamp
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They really do take us for f***ing idiots..
“Sunak has made reducing the national debt one of his five priorities, and in a video posted on X after the autumn statement he said “debt is falling”. Later in November he told MPs at PMQs “we have indeed reduced debt”.
Sarah Olney, the Lib Dem’s Treasury spokesperson, wrote to the UK Statistics Authority to ask if there was any justification for what Sunak was saying and today, in a response, the authority’s chair, Sir Robert Chote, said Sunak’s words were misleading.
Chote said No 10 tried to justify Sunak’s “is falling” comment by saying he was referring to what was forecast to happen in 2028. Chote explained:
In this instance, the prime minister’s office informed us that both claims referred to the fact that the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) was forecasting that the underlying measure of net debt (excluding the Bank) would be falling as a proportion of GDP (although not in cash terms) in the final year of its five year forecast, in line with the government’s target …
The average person in the street would probably not have interpreted the prime minister’s claims in the way that his office explained them to us and would likely have assumed that he was claiming that debt was already falling or that the government’s policy decisions had lowered it at the fiscal events – neither of which is the case. This has clearly been a source of confusion and may have undermined trust in the government’s use of statistics and quantitative analysis in this area.
Members of the public cannot be expected to understand the minutiae of public finance statistics and the precise combination of definitional choices that might need to be made for a particular claim to be true. So, when speaking about the public finances and making claims of this sort, intelligent transparency demands that ministers, other senior politicians, departments and political parties ask themselves how someone with an interest but little specialist knowledge is likely to interpret a particular claim and to explain themselves clearly if they choose to depart significantly from that in definitional terms. When a claim is made in abbreviated form, they should certainly be ready to explain the precise basis for their claim when approached and asked to do so after the event”.
“Sunak has made reducing the national debt one of his five priorities, and in a video posted on X after the autumn statement he said “debt is falling”. Later in November he told MPs at PMQs “we have indeed reduced debt”.
Sarah Olney, the Lib Dem’s Treasury spokesperson, wrote to the UK Statistics Authority to ask if there was any justification for what Sunak was saying and today, in a response, the authority’s chair, Sir Robert Chote, said Sunak’s words were misleading.
Chote said No 10 tried to justify Sunak’s “is falling” comment by saying he was referring to what was forecast to happen in 2028. Chote explained:
In this instance, the prime minister’s office informed us that both claims referred to the fact that the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) was forecasting that the underlying measure of net debt (excluding the Bank) would be falling as a proportion of GDP (although not in cash terms) in the final year of its five year forecast, in line with the government’s target …
The average person in the street would probably not have interpreted the prime minister’s claims in the way that his office explained them to us and would likely have assumed that he was claiming that debt was already falling or that the government’s policy decisions had lowered it at the fiscal events – neither of which is the case. This has clearly been a source of confusion and may have undermined trust in the government’s use of statistics and quantitative analysis in this area.
Members of the public cannot be expected to understand the minutiae of public finance statistics and the precise combination of definitional choices that might need to be made for a particular claim to be true. So, when speaking about the public finances and making claims of this sort, intelligent transparency demands that ministers, other senior politicians, departments and political parties ask themselves how someone with an interest but little specialist knowledge is likely to interpret a particular claim and to explain themselves clearly if they choose to depart significantly from that in definitional terms. When a claim is made in abbreviated form, they should certainly be ready to explain the precise basis for their claim when approached and asked to do so after the event”.
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Hmmm yes that’s just standard spinning of statistics though, literally everyone does it when in government or when defending “unflattering” numbers. I agree it’s shit but it’s far from the worst thing this government has done. Labour have and will do exactly the same when there’s difficult numbers to defend.
Isn't deliberately misleading Parliament a breach of the ministerial code. Or did Johnson get rid of that?
The Clamp
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I disagree. He’s out and out lying.
pb21
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How can my trust in the government’s use of statistics and quantitative analysis be undermined any further when it's currently non existant?
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Labour haven't been in power for thirteen years. To say they will do the same thing when they return to power, is a little unfair. Let's give them a chance first.
Back to Sunak, and another thing that troubles me, is his trumpeting of the number of boats being down by a third. Surely that means that his flagship policy of 'Stop the boats' is failing, as two thirds of them are still getting through?
Machiavelli
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Agree with the last few posts. Sunk has been done for his use of incorrect stats in parliament. That's the difference here. The highly selective use of stats is de rigeur however. The most underinterrogated of which in the past 13 years has been 'record spending on NHS' and 'pay rises'.
vegster
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" Stopping The Boats " is hugely dependant on the weather in The Channel.. It is suicide to attempt a crossing during the frequent winter storms and high seas... should there be a 7-10 day period of High pressure the numbers will rocket again. Rishi can't claim any personal credit for a reduction in numbers unless he opens legal routes for asylum seekers, and his party won't allow that to happen.
TomandJerry
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Post-Brexit restrictions on the free movement of workers from the EU have contributed to modern slavery becoming “a feature” of the care sector in England the Care Quality Commission has told MPs.
James Bullion, chief inspector of adult social care and integrated care at the watchdog, told the Commons health and social care select committee that the end of free movement of workers significantly increased the possibilities of exploitation, which have included cases of care workers not being paid for months and dozens being squeezed into overcrowded lodgings. Cases of modern slavery are on track to have increased tenfold in the last three years he said."
James Bullion, chief inspector of adult social care and integrated care at the watchdog, told the Commons health and social care select committee that the end of free movement of workers significantly increased the possibilities of exploitation, which have included cases of care workers not being paid for months and dozens being squeezed into overcrowded lodgings. Cases of modern slavery are on track to have increased tenfold in the last three years he said."