[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[nicko31]

Confirmation it’s nothing more than a government propaganda channel

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

This gov officially levying the highest % of tax as a proportion of national income in our history. Their wastefulness and corruption exacerbates the problem of course, but it does ask the question as to how do we (the taxpayer) can afford the level of public expenditure now, let alone the extra we are calling for (eg nhs, climate change mitigation, cost of living support etc) going forward.
Not necessarily a party political point as it is one of the big problems all parties have to find a solution to, but all imply they can tax less and spend more. I don’t believe they actually think is viable but to deny it costs too many votes.
Not sure what the answer is.

Has any particular sector made ridiculously over the top profits recently that perhaps be taxed?
could any incoming ruling party perhaps not waste quite as much money on hare-brained schemes to create jobs for mates which ultimately don’t work - remember track and trace!
might we find that using the proper channels and systems for purchasing and procurement might save money over VIP lanes and get-rich schemes for tory party donors?

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

The Tories have gone truly mask off this conference haven't they. Completely unhinged.

 

[The Clamp]

yet your rhetoric is so consistently adamant that they are finished as a (current) political force and are unelectable. To be honest I dislike some of your regular phraseology (and before you say it, I don't expect you to care) but I agree. So I am genuinely interested to know why you have doubts

Because people are idiots and vote against their own interests.

 

[Hotchilidog]

Between Braverman’s disgusting speech and Partygate on C4 this evening anyone voting Tory at the next election needs to take a good look at themselves. Awful people

 

[nicko31]

The Tories have gone truly mask off this conference haven't they. Completely unhinged.

Heard an interesting prediction from Jon Sopal tonight, Farage will be joining the Tories after the next election.

If they lose to Starmer don’t expect moderation, prepare for US Republican style politics

 

[clapham_gull]

Very perspective observation on "The News Agents" podcast which I highly recommend.

The Tories are suffering the same denial of the left when they have lost or have failed to gain power.

"We simply weren't socialist enough..."

The Tories are looking back over the last 13 years and have come to the conclusion it all went wrong because they weren't right wing enough.

The difference with Labour of course is they are in power. Frightening, but I still trust the electorate to kick them out at the next election.

Over the last year I spoken to a number of what you would call "traditional Tory voters" who went for Blair in 96. They've had enough of the Conservatives but are very fearful of Starmer. They still associate the party with Corbyn.

Strategically Labour need to a bit more to appeal those "small c conservative" voters.

The ones I've spoken to aren't that bothered with immigration, "wokeness" or whether a women has a penis. It's all about the cost of living and the one I spoke to today think the rich are taking the piss.

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

Heard an interesting prediction from Jon Sopal tonight, Farage will be joining the Tories after the next election.

If they lose to Starmer don’t expect moderation, prepare for US Republican style politics

Seems likely we are only going deeper down this rabbit hole.

 

[Barnet Seagull]

The Party of Business.

That should really tell you everything you need to know in terms of their interests, and it ain't us, our education, our wellbeing, our .... etc.

 

[lawros left foot]

Just finished watching the excellent Channel 4 docu-drama #Partygate.

If you missed it, watch it on catch up, it will became a defining television programme.

How am I meant to get to sleep now, being this angry.

 

[Hotchilidog]

Just finished watching the excellent Channel 4 docu-drama #Partygate.

If you missed it, watch it on catch up, it will became a defining television programme.

How am I meant to get to sleep now, being this angry.

Get them out

 

[clapham_gull]

The Party of Business.

That should really tell you everything you need to know in terms of their interests, and it ain't us, our education, our wellbeing, our .... etc.

Are they ? Or the party of the consumer ?

I'd be happier if they were the party of business, at least you know where you stand with them.

The Rees Moggs of this world are quite happy for manufacturing and farming to disappear to be replaced by cheap imports.

He's very very open about it, it's all about the market.

The Conservatives are an utterly confused mess, when a new faction appears it splits in two. Farage clearly hovering to be a leader at some point in opposition.

 

[clapham_gull]

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[Hotchilidog]

Just finished watching the excellent Channel 4 docu-drama #Partygate.

If you missed it, watch it on catch up, it will became a defining television programme.

How am I meant to get to sleep now, being this angry.

they are scum. It’s as simple as that

 

[clapham_gull]

they are scum. It’s as simple as that

The inference that there were under a particular special form of stress and deserved to party still makes me angry.

It takes a particular type of young self entitled privileged over ambitious twat that goes to to work in that sort on environment anyway.

I pray they feel guilty to their dying days.

Many will come out with credit, but we will never know them. Over a number of weeks I got talking to a patient in hospital in the same ward as a family member.

Their son was right in the middle of it and this was well before we knew the full details.

I think it is fair to say here that the family were from a working class and the son had clearly batted above his average to get a job in number 10.

He saw what was going on and completely avoided it. I believed his mum, I had details of how rotten it was well before the papers got the full story.

 

[Weststander]

A rare visitor to such threads. Just seen the Farage dancing . So he’s back in the mainstream fold then.

That seals a Tory party for years to come that’ve morphed into the Sarah Palin / Trump Party of the UK. The coup d’etat has taken place in stages. The Rudd’s etc were ousted, then it will be Sunak and Hunt booted out, leaving total control to a rabid cabal. Who’ll eventually deny climate change etc.

In first past the post, 25% of polling according to Betfair odds equates to a predicted 150 Tory MP’s losing their seats, leaving 200.

But in 1997 Major got 31% of the vote and just 165 seats.

I’m wondering if 150 seats is about right?

Unique times imho. Labour and Tory parties in the Commons have each always represented a broad cross section of views. The Tory party until now contained swathes of pro Europeans, pro environmentalists, believers in a mixed economy …. they’re all being squeezed out.

Hopefully a party led by Braverman, Farage etc will never be popular at the polls. It’s up to Starmer to not waste or screw up at no 10. In tangible actions he has to be far more than just Not Braverman’s Tories.

 

[clapham_gull]

A rare visitor to such threads. Just seen the Farage dancing . So he’s back in the mainstream fold then.

No just one of the many factions in the party. He was interviewed at the conference saying he knew they would lose the next election and then return to being "conservative".

Clearly taking a punt at being a member of the opposition.

An opposition with Braverman as PM and Rees Mogg / Farage fighting to be chancellor.

Rather than the slowly deteriorating days of the John Major years who irrespective of his politics was fundamentally a good man, this lot are a death cult.

 

[Weststander]

No just one of the many factions in the party. He was interviewed at the conference saying he knew they would lose the next election and then return to being "conservative".

Clearly taking a punt at being a member of the opposition.

Rather the slowly deteriorating days of the John Major years who irrespective of his politics was fundamentally a good man, this lot are a death cult.

Farage, as in the hours after the Brexit vote, looks like the cat that got the cream.

I was always under the impression, confirmed by writers, that Tory grandees, PM’s and former PM’s couldn’t stand the person and everything about him. They probably still do. But they’ve either retired or like Sunak/Hunt are about to in effect be booted out. Leaving weirdo’s such as Patel and Braverman to welcome him back. Analysed on LBC today that they’re planning for 2029.

I bet they want that vote winning stardust. Sadly he is still popular among many, many millions in England and Wales.

In a media and social media age it’s weird to watch this in real time, caught on smart phones. The dinner dance, part of an insurrection to boot Sunak and Hunt out.

 

[Weststander]

I still can't decide if it's hilarious or depressing that our current Prime Minister lost a popularity / competency contest with Liz Truss who, let's not forget, was outlasted by a lettuce.

Because right wing blue rinsers in 632 constituencies were always going to vote for a right wing candidate promising tax cuts. And she was seen as loyal to Boris. I said at the time she’d crush Sunak.

Sunak was candid that there was no room for tax cuts after the pandemic, something credit rating agencies and the markets agreed with.

The thick as shit constituencies went with the out of her depth idiot.

 

[The Clamp]