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[Albion] Top Ten team - The Albion
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Doonhamer7
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- Jun 17, 2016
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It is going to get harder and harder - top6 then Leicester, Everton and Wolves makes 9. Add the ‘bigger’ clubs by history, size, location and reputation = easier to attract players: Aston Villa, Newcastle, Leeds, West Ham. That leaves 7 of which you could add half a dozen more from Championship on fairly similar level (Norwich, Watford of the world).
happypig
Staring at the rude boys
We will have a good chance of being in the top half of the PL when Liverpool, Spuds, Chelsea and the Manchesters bugger off to a European super league.
Taybha
Whalewhine
The difference in real terms between finishing 17th and 10th in the EPL is around 14 million quid , probably enough to run the Academy for the season so though a nice wedge of money it's peanuts to what each club receives through TV deals and sponsors.
So the trick is simply staying in the EPL for starters, which we've done for now 4 consecutive seasons .
This fixation with being a top ten club is fairytale stuff for now , a bit like playing at Withdean and wishing for Falmer .
It may well happen but I'd still rather us be concerned with retaining our EPL status for now , be that with Potter in charge or whomever Bloom sees fit to do that very job .
So the trick is simply staying in the EPL for starters, which we've done for now 4 consecutive seasons .
This fixation with being a top ten club is fairytale stuff for now , a bit like playing at Withdean and wishing for Falmer .
It may well happen but I'd still rather us be concerned with retaining our EPL status for now , be that with Potter in charge or whomever Bloom sees fit to do that very job .
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
Seasidesage
New member
Possible yes, so is middle of league one mind!
To do it we are going to need time, patience and some luck. Lyon, Leverkusen, Atalanta have all shown what is possible if you buy well and sell better while developing your own stars too. Key will be staying true to the principle while being pragmatic enough to address the problems that come along the way like a lack of strikers...
To do it we are going to need time, patience and some luck. Lyon, Leverkusen, Atalanta have all shown what is possible if you buy well and sell better while developing your own stars too. Key will be staying true to the principle while being pragmatic enough to address the problems that come along the way like a lack of strikers...
mreprice
Active member
This. Are we ever going to be a consistently bigger club than the 9 mentioned? Hard to see. And there are a lot of good clubs fighting for that tenth spot. Most of whom have had a relegation scare in the past few years.
It is getting harder every year.
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I don't know. Nobody knows.
There is an evident correlation between success and spend. But the relationship is not a perfect straight line whereby if you spend another £50 million you go up another place. Tony is obviously trying to shift the relationship between spend and success to the left (for those of you who understand graphs).
Also, if I understand this, Tony certainly does and will know roughly how much success he can anticipate per spend. The trouble with this is that although mad spending will get you top six, the relationship between spend and league position becomes much more varied towards the lower end of the curve.
Therefore, lower down the curve, it can be a bit hit and miss. Look at Sheffield United. Look at Saints. Look at Palace. Look at...Watford and Norwich.
There is no magic answer to maximising achievement per spend. For sustained achievement (top ten) I suspect will will need to hugely increase our spend - perhaps doubling it. Whether Tony is willing or able to do this is moot.
I'm happy with the project at the moment and I don't see change any time soon. There is no point bringing in a different type of manager unless we try a different type of plan. People mock the Newcastle owner but he splashed out on a really decent striker (Wilson) who looked top class in the draw against Liverpool last night. I doubt that we could attract a striker of Wilson's calibre at the moment because we are clearly not a club that smells like (and spends like) Newcastle.
If people don't like this I suspect the only solution is to get on Tony's back, like a proportion of Newcastles entitled tossers get on Ashley's back, and agitate to 'sack the board', i.e., make life so unpleasant for Tony that he sells up to a rich foreign owner. Not for me! But there are people on NSC who would support such action.
There is an evident correlation between success and spend. But the relationship is not a perfect straight line whereby if you spend another £50 million you go up another place. Tony is obviously trying to shift the relationship between spend and success to the left (for those of you who understand graphs).
Also, if I understand this, Tony certainly does and will know roughly how much success he can anticipate per spend. The trouble with this is that although mad spending will get you top six, the relationship between spend and league position becomes much more varied towards the lower end of the curve.
Therefore, lower down the curve, it can be a bit hit and miss. Look at Sheffield United. Look at Saints. Look at Palace. Look at...Watford and Norwich.
There is no magic answer to maximising achievement per spend. For sustained achievement (top ten) I suspect will will need to hugely increase our spend - perhaps doubling it. Whether Tony is willing or able to do this is moot.
I'm happy with the project at the moment and I don't see change any time soon. There is no point bringing in a different type of manager unless we try a different type of plan. People mock the Newcastle owner but he splashed out on a really decent striker (Wilson) who looked top class in the draw against Liverpool last night. I doubt that we could attract a striker of Wilson's calibre at the moment because we are clearly not a club that smells like (and spends like) Newcastle.
If people don't like this I suspect the only solution is to get on Tony's back, like a proportion of Newcastles entitled tossers get on Ashley's back, and agitate to 'sack the board', i.e., make life so unpleasant for Tony that he sells up to a rich foreign owner. Not for me! But there are people on NSC who would support such action.
Forget what you feel about GP for a moment, he’ll either stay or go but longterm do you really believe that the Albion will establish themselves as a team that spend a few years in the top 10 of the PL?
Could be next year, could be in 10 years but can you see it happening? Yes, you’d probably like it but that’s not the question.
I can’t unless we are taken over by an Oligarch or a Middle Eastern state/Chinese/Asian/US investor and I THINK I will hate it when/If TB calls it a day.
Not being Top 10 doesn’t really bother me either
Can you imagine commentators just talking about Albion and dismissing the team we are playing, in fact the reverse of what happens at the moment.
Can you imagine someone posting on the Leicester board after their first season back, when they just about dragged themselves to 14th from the bottom with Ulloa top scoring, "can we win the league next season?". Would have been dismissed as a fruitcake, totally unrealistic, entitled, mad and going against Vichay's long term plans ("he's rich but he's not that rich"). And yet with a new coach PLUS clever recruitment they did it.
I actually mostly agree with [MENTION=4934]One Teddy Maybank[/MENTION] here. We are two or three quality players away from climbing up the charts. But those players do need the right coach and this is where it is a game of opinions. You, Swanny and, currently and crucially, Tony Bloom, think Potter is the right coach. I'm far from convinced.
boik
Well-known member
I think that the key is the academy, unless we want to sell our soul to the middle east. if we can sell players for 30-50 mill then it might happen.
And I'll add that all the big clubs were shit that season as well.
But that's WINNING the league. We're talking about regularly coming somewhere up to nine places below that. It's perfectly achievable in the short to medium term with two or three quality players and tactics that they can execute in a winning fashion. We are not THAT far off. You and I just see the possibilities and the man in the driving seat differently,
doogie004
Well-known member
You really should learn to read opening posts before you go into anger mode
I did and my reply is still the same
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deslynhamsmoustache1
Well-known member
Burnley
Southampton never go particularly wild in the transfer market.
In response to the original question, I’ve said numerous times, when we’re humming our football is great to watch and that’s down to Potter, and given the right tools i.e a striker and a recognised left back, I think somewhere around 10th is achievable, even this season if we act quickly. However, if the club are going to stand pat I don’t think GP knows how to deploy a different style which would be more geared for a survival battle.
In brief, back him or sack him. If we give him an actual striker and left back I think we’ll fly, but as things stand we’re stuck in a dirty big rut.
This with bells on. Top 10 more than possible, with a few quality acquisitions. If we get the academy right then an occasional monthly brush with 6-8 is more than Possible. Burnley had Europa but not the squad to maintain it, Southampton produced players like Henry Ford produced model T's. must be 20 odd top draw pro's over the years at least. Produce 2, sell 1. Re invest in the weak parts of the team.
Top 10?
Of course it’s possible!
Burnley have come 7th, Saints have done it fairly often, even Bournemouth if I’m not wrong. Just need to have a good season and let things fall Into place.
I really don’t think we’re that far off, maybe a striker and goal scoring midfielder. It’s important we don’t hound a manger out every time we have a bad run of form though.
Of course it’s possible!
Burnley have come 7th, Saints have done it fairly often, even Bournemouth if I’m not wrong. Just need to have a good season and let things fall Into place.
I really don’t think we’re that far off, maybe a striker and goal scoring midfielder. It’s important we don’t hound a manger out every time we have a bad run of form though.
This is true.
brighton_tom
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- Jul 23, 2008
- 5,516
Being a top ten side, as in finishing inside the top 10 every season is a big ask seeing as though about 15 of the current Prem sides will all have the same aspirations and most of those are better equipped to do so. But being a side that finishes somewhere between 8th and 13th each season, and never really in danger of relegation is certainly achievable on Tony Bloom money. I'd rather that than sell our soul to a new billionaire owner for the sake of another few places up the table.
neilbard
Hedging up
- Oct 8, 2013
- 6,280
Forget what you feel about GP for a moment, he’ll either stay or go but longterm do you really believe that the Albion will establish themselves as a team that spend a few years in the top 10 of the PL?
Could be next year, could be in 10 years but can you see it happening? Yes, you’d probably like it but that’s not the question.
I can’t unless we are taken over by an Oligarch or a Middle Eastern state/Chinese/Asian/US investor and I THINK I will hate it when/If TB calls it a day.
Not being Top 10 doesn’t really bother me either
Can you imagine commentators just talking about Albion and dismissing the team we are playing, in fact the reverse of what happens at the moment.
If Tony says it will happen then I'm a believer.
