Tony Bloom is totally deluded!

[Napier's Knee]

shocking lack of class, I thought at the time *ducks, expecting hail of abuse*

agreed - not Bloom and Barber's finest moment, not by a long shot

 

[chaileyjem]

agreed - not Bloom and Barber's finest moment, not by a long shot

Well I'm not sure Paul Barber has ever said a word on the subject and Oscar resigned remember despite being asked to sleep on it and TB found out second hand whilst on the train back from Derby talking to fans. No wonder he was a bit bruised.
As for TB and the 'made it sound like he wasn't very good" , then quote me what he's actually said that implies anything other than Oscar was a great coach cos i've read the interviews, quotes and he doesn't say anything of the sort.

 

[symyjym]

I don't understand the criticism of Garcia. The football wasn't great but he had an awful injury list. I think we ended up with three less points and had no CMS or Hoskins pretty much all season as well as missing Orlandi for much of the year, only having Bridcutt available for a few games before he was sold, losing Crofts midway through the season, Barnes being sold and not replaced, Buckley hardly being fit and Ulloa missing three months. I think that covers it. I think Garcia did exceptionally well to get us into the play offs even if the football wasn't very exciting.

I would say, that in the end, Oscar clearly had considerably less to work with than Poyet ever had in a Championship season.

There was a lot of wasted money; on the Bridcutt "injury?", Orlandi "injury", Buckley "injury?", Kemy "unfit/injury", Crofts "injury", Slopez "just plain useless", Andrews "at best average", and we played with 3 "inexpensive" Dev squad.

So the boast of a higher playing budget never translated onto the pitch, and when it came to the crunch in January transfer window we failed, so in my view Oscar didn’t see the any of the increased budget Bloom suggested we had. He did a great job for us despite of the weak squad and despite of having no Championship experience.

 

[Betfair Bozo]

We do know that Gus was expecting to further strengthen the side after the Ulloa signing in that Transfer window, but this did not happen.
So this may have been where the hit the ceiling comment came from.

We bid over £2 million for Virgil Van Dijk after the Ulloa signing so TB was hardly not prepared to back him still. That would have been the 3rd time we spent in excess of £2m in Gus's tenure and ALL of that out of TB's pocket.

 

[chaileyjem]

I would say, that in the end, Oscar clearly had considerably less to work with than Poyet ever had in a Championship season.

There was a lot of wasted money...Crofts "injury".

Yep all squads suffer from injuries, form, interest from other clubs, young players on lower wages, and out of favour fringe players. Likewise with Gus and all other Champ squads. Oscar coped well and steered us to the top 6. All managers have to cope with such setbacks.

However I'm struggling to see what you're implying with Andrew Crofts. I'm sure he'd be pleased to read on here after a stunning first half of the season his shocking cruciate injury was an "injury" . What on earth do you mean ?

 

[spanish flair]

Both Sami and the club (TB?) have referred to increased squad depth as a priority this season but I haven't the wit/inclination to search out where it's documented!

Well I make it including loans we had 33 players last season with only 28 this season.

 

[Napier's Knee]

Well I'm not sure Paul Barber has ever said a word on the subject and Oscar resigned remember despite being asked to sleep on it and TB found out second hand whilst on the train back from Derby talking to fans. No wonder he was a bit bruised.
As for TB and the 'made it sound like he wasn't very good" , then quote me what he's actually said that implies anything other than Oscar was a great coach cos i've read the interviews, quotes and he doesn't say anything of the sort.

not going to get involved in any more exchange about this but see:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nmWHx9fiiA

Barber made snide comments at one of the public events - something about Oscar 'watching lots of videos'

I'm a diehard TB loyalist but listening to that interview and assuming TB is clearly outlining the criteria by which the appointment decisions were made makes me wonder:
1. Why was Oscar appointed in the first place?
2. Why was Sami appointed?

 

[symyjym]

Yep all squads suffer from injuries, form, interest from other clubs, young players on lower wages, and out of favour fringe players. Likewise with Gus and all other Champ squads. Oscar coped well and steered us to the top 6. All managers have to cope with such setbacks.

However I'm struggling to see what you're implying with Andrew Crofts. I'm sure he'd be pleased to read on here after a stunning first half of the season his shocking cruciate injury was an "injury" . What on earth do you mean ?

I wasn't implying what you think I was implying. He was a massive loss last season and I just put him in the list of injuries. I should have added CMS to the list as well, and to some degree Ulloa. They were of course the unfortunate injuries on top of, but the others in the list were not good value for their pay packet.

 

[aolstudios]

not going to get involved in any more exchange about this but see:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nmWHx9fiiA

Barber made snide comments at one of the public events - something about Oscar 'watching lots of videos'

I'm a diehard TB loyalist but listening to that interview and assuming TB is clearly outlining the criteria by which the appointment decisions were made makes me wonder:
1. Why was Oscar appointed in the first place?
2. Why was Sami appointed?

Disappointing & very unimpressive interview, rang alarm bells at the time

 

[kevtherev]

Poyet has been proved correct. That doesn't mean he didn't have to go, as I believe he had to purely because of his attitude. Garcia done an excellent good, with what he had to work with, although take Ulloa's goals away and we would have been in trouble. It's the failure to appoint a tried and tested manager and letting an ex youth scout, identify and sign the players. That's where the problems lie.

 

[symyjym]

Poyet has been proved correct. That doesn't mean he didn't have to go, as I believe he had to purely because of his attitude. Garcia done an excellent good, with what he had to work with, although take Ulloa's goals away and we would have been in trouble. It's the failure to appoint a tried and tested manager and letting an ex youth scout, identify and sign the players. That's where the problems lie.

You can't take away Ulloa's goals and use as an example, unless you also take away other clubs top scorers goals, and then further to that rework the table to fit

I want to see last seasons table based on your example, but more fairly distibuted

 

[Barnham Seagull]

Poyet has been proved correct. That doesn't mean he didn't have to go, as I believe he had to purely because of his attitude. Garcia done an excellent good, with what he had to work with, although take Ulloa's goals away and we would have been in trouble. It's the failure to appoint a tried and tested manager and letting an ex youth scout, identify and sign the players. That's where the problems lie.

What I would like to know is if this is TB's plan or it it is one sold to by PB.

We don't seem to have any or many footballing people in senior positions. That to me is a major concern.

 

[Justice]

Poyet has been proved correct. That doesn't mean he didn't have to go, as I believe he had to purely because of his attitude. Garcia done an excellent good, with what he had to work with, although take Ulloa's goals away and we would have been in trouble. It's the failure to appoint a tried and tested manager and letting an ex youth scout, identify and sign the players. That's where the problems lie.

You could say that about any number of teams who have a decent striker in their squad.

 

[Milano]

You could say that about any number of teams who have a decent striker in their squad.

No in the context of this thread it is very relevant. Take Ulloa out of last season's team and replace him with Baldock. Then ask yourself if that team would have made top 6, regardless of who the manager was. It is not about other clubs it is about the FACT that our squad is getting steadily weaker transfer window on transfer window since the summer of 2013 yet our chairman reckons we can compete at this level. So in the context of this thread TB is either taking the fans for fools or is indeed deluded. I don't think it's the latter.......

 

[sir albion]

Poyet has been proved correct. That doesn't mean he didn't have to go, as I believe he had to purely because of his attitude. Garcia done an excellent good, with what he had to work with, although take Ulloa's goals away and we would have been in trouble. It's the failure to appoint a tried and tested manager and letting an ex youth scout, identify and sign the players. That's where the problems lie.

Anybody would know that we can't keep spending money we don't have and the debts will mount...Poyet being correct isn't the issue as clubs need to be self sufficient and poyet wanted more and more.

 

[B.W.]

bit early to say almost certain imho....being 3 points off 15th......continue current form until Xmas and then we'd be marked relegation candidates ..but looking at that table currently there are quite a few of them

I admire and am jealous of your optimism. Check out our form. Think again.

 

[B.W.]

Probably about 12 minimum in the battle.

Just who are the 3 teams worse than us... Blackpool, errrr...

 

[spanish flair]

Anybody would know that we can't keep spending money we don't have and the debts will mount...Poyet being correct isn't the issue as clubs need to be self sufficient and poyet wanted more and more.

I know it is hindsight, but the players who Gus brought in (because I believe they wanted to play for him) we have recouped if not made a profit on the money spent, in players sold since he left, around £15/20 million. Could we expect to get that sort of money from the signings made since he left. Anyone thinks we could, I would be interested who and how much we would get for the current players.

 

[B.W.]

.... and it was true. Due to those constraints, he didn't feel we could better that season for the foreseeable. It's hard to disagree based on what we've seen since, and what we heard last week.

Gus had a top 2 squad, in no small part due to his persuasiveness. He finished 4th, i.e. he very nearly made top 2. Oscar didn't have a top 6 squad, but finished 6th, and Sami's squad is even worse. Not sure how this supports your point?

 

[B.W.]

We loaned Upson, bought Ulloa for £2m and made a bid for that Dutch centre back who surprisingly enough chose Celtic / likely Champions League football over us despite the fact that we were willing to pay £2m+.
Did we really not back Gus that season ? We had the 8th biggest wage bill in the Championship in 2012/13.
£21m wage bill. via https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/453906419360612352 and elsewhere...

Spot on.