You're right there. Wilkins' treatment was a disgrace and he's an honourable bloke who deserved better. I love what Gus did for the club but his character was bound to bring acrimony in the end. At the time I was prepared to overlook his treatment of Sparrow & Vincelot as just one of those things that happen in football. But again I agree that the way he forced out 2 good pros was unsavoury. They were punished for his mistake of collecting too many players.
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You're right there. Wilkins' treatment was a disgrace and he's an honourable bloke who deserved better. I love what Gus did for the club but his character was bound to bring acrimony in the end. At the time I was prepared to overlook his treatment of Sparrow & Vincelot as just one of those things that happen in football. But again I agree that the way he forced out 2 good pros was unsavoury. They were punished for his mistake of collecting too many players.
All very subjective though really. No real evidence from The Argus and if we've done things properly there shouldn't be. Clearly the club put themselves in a corner yesterday regarding the announcement of the dismissal and if nothing else it is that strategy that needs review.
Thunder Bolt
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Gus didn't negotiate Sparrow & Vincelot's contracts and found himself in the Championship with League 1 players who had got extensions to their contracts from appearances. He knew they werern't good enough to play.
The fans have said exactly the same about Brezovan this summer. Why the club continue to activate appearance clauses in contracts is beyond me.
nevergoagain
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LOL, inside the argus is a supposed tweet from Robyn at Talksport. She's just tweeted back saying "Hey, that's not my twitter account and I do not think that! #furious
Vincelot signed for us when we were in the Championship. He made them feel unwelcome, he wouldn't even let their names be put on the match day programme.
Wasn't Wilkins' contract paid up in full? So he wasn't really sacked at all.
They attribute a quote to NSC that is incorrect also.
He also done nothing wrong, and in my opinion had a pretty good season as our manager. Gus on the other hand might have had a very good season on the field, but it is very hard to say he has done nothing wrong. For me it is all down to if he refused to do the retain list, if he did then no one can convince me he doesn't deserve the sack. Once you refuse to do your job, then you shouldn't have a job to go back to. I can understand that leagally its down to what his contract says and suspect that is why there has been a 5 week investigation.
JCL - the new kid in town
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If thats the reasons for dismissal then i find it a little strange though not unsurprising. Surely if he was getting a bit big for his boots and saying things they weren't happy with, the first port of call would be to get him in to the office and manage teh situation. Probably they tried to do this but considering the results on the pitch were good (which is what matters) then surely the sitaution could have been handled better. Anyway hopefully this matter is finally over in so much as we can get a new man in whether its interim or not (whats in a job title)
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Are you absolutely certain he done nothing wrong (sic)?
As you go on to say it is very hard to say he has done nothing wrong. Boards don't sack managers for nothing.
I don't remember Wilkins doing anything wrong, from what I remember it was to do with Wilkins not being a big enough name and Micky Adams being available, I also seem to remember he was offered another post at the club that he turned down, which would suggest he hadn't done anything wrong (I might be wrong though).
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
He was offered his old job back as coach, because he couldn't handle the players. Some of the older players were completely ignored, not even saying good morning to them, and made them train with the youth. I have two old players word on that. He was a great coach but management was beyond him.
He sidelined Butters and Hart in much the same way as Poyet sidelined Sparrow and Vincelot.
Peter Grummit
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I agree. The only evidence Naylor has unveiled can be summed up in 2 words: internal squabbling. Gus is no angel and must be hard to work with, but that's partly how he's pushed the team forward. The CEO has the responsibility to deal with internal squabbling, if he can't do that then he is the one not fit for purpose in my view.
PG
PS Funny, I thought we were always being told that football was a results business.
Wow I don't think I knew that. I am pretty sure about Poyet though, in the sense of if he is shown not to have done his job, he doesn't have a leg to stand on in my opinion.
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They would both have different contracts with different responsibilties.
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Very little of the Argus' income comes from its share of that 65p, most of it comes from advertising, both in print and on the online version.