[Albion] Toby Collyer - move to Manure

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I read manure offered him better contract = more money, he will have better path to first team here but who knows how much more he is being offered

I guess that's the achilles heel of any academy system. It's shining lights are always at risk, from the viewpoint of the academy, of being lured away with promises of greater riches elsewhere. And any compensation only goes partway to compensating for the loss to the parent club that nurtured that talent

 

[schmunk]

Surely this is no different to us benefitting from Tariq Lamptey leaving the Chelsea academy*, or e.g. Jadon Sancho's move from Man City to Dortmund, except this time it's likely there'll be LESS chance of first team action in the new club...!




*albeit in Lamps' case, we paid a nominal fee to sign him in January, rather than waiting for his contract to expire in the summer, as seems to be happening here.

 

[Springal]

Surely this is no different to us benefitting from Tariq Lamptey leaving the Chelsea academy*, or e.g. Jadon Sancho's move from Man City to Dortmund, except this time it's likely there'll be LESS chance of first team action in the new club...!

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Man Utd have more academy players in their regular first team XI's than we do.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

He will be languishing in the Stockport stiffs soon anyway.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Good luck to the lad

 

[portslade seagull]

This happens quite a bit then the players disappear back to lower league footy if not destroyed by the experience. We do it regularly but normally foreign players

 

[Insel affe]

Man Utd have more academy players in their regular first team XI's than we do.

Probably why they are 22 points behind the leaders then.

 

[Insel affe]

Good luck to the lad

This, he could fail with us, why not grab as much cash as possible while you can, it is such a short career.

Anyway, if we felt that highly we could have matched United pay at that age.

 

[GT49er]

Good luck to the lad

Yes indeed, good luck to him.

The pathway to a midfield place in the Albion team looks like a potentially rocky road. Leaving aside Biss (who presumably wil be gone) and Gross and Lallana who will likely be playing less (and not forgetting established under 23s like Leonard, Jenks, Spong, etc.) next season we'll be having Mac Allister, Moder, Mwepu, Alzate, Caicedo and possibly Kozlowski fighting over two or three midfield places.
Nice to be well-stocked - but we'll need to be careful we don't lose full internationals like Alzate and Mac if they don't feel they're getting enough game time.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Yes indeed, good luck to him.

The pathway to a midfield place in the Albion team looks like a potenyially rocky road. Leaving aside Biss (who resumably wil be gone) and Gross and Lallana who will likely be playing less (and not forgetting established under 23s like Leonard, Jenks, Spong, etc.) next season we'll be having MacAllister, Moder, Mwepu, Alzate, Caicedo and possibly Kozlowski fighting over two or three midfield places.
Nice to be well-stocked - but we'll need to be careful we don't lose full internationals like Alzate and Mac if tey don't feel they're getting enough game time.

True mate. Also Weir and Moran are two the others who will be hoping to fill these spots in due course, (and i'm guessing that i've forgotten at least 2 or 3 others).

We can't get stressed about young players leaving is the point i'm making. There can't be spots for all of them

 

[Worried Man Blues]

Potter hopes to work with him for many years to come.............

 

[Badger Boy]

That it's a feather in the cap of the academy that one of the players they've produced has attracted the attention of the club which has the most prestigious academy and with a reputation for attracting players from all over the country (and likely globe, I can't say I keep up) and they've snapped them up after the work we've done with him.

I'm clearly not saying "our academy is better than their academy", hence why I used the phrase "one of". Which usually refers to one rather than, for example, all.

In which case, I completely misread and misunderstood your post and I apologise. I completely agree with your assessment - I think it's an excellent sign that our academy is starting to reap real rewards. Hopefully before too much longer we start seeing our players regularly in England under 21 (or 23?) squads and then more regularly making breakthroughs into our squad. I'm very encouraged by our future.

 

[SAC]

If he goes to play for Man U, I hope he fails. Can't stand them.

 

[deslynhamsmoustache1]

From one Worthing boy to another i read this with a heavy heart. If he's as good as they think he is will we now ever get to see a Worthing born lad play for the Albion what with talent now being sauced globally.

 

[Swansman]

Hopefully things go well for him (is my opinion as a human, as a football fan I generally think it is distasteful not to show more loyalty to the club bringing you up) but its not a move I would recommend to any youth player. I've met a fair share of former academy players in big teams from the big leagues and generally speaking they are treated poorly and seen as expendable as there is always a dozen other really talented players in those teams. Its not a fun environment and your chances of success doesnt increase all that much going from one very good academy to a very very good one.

 

[Stat Brother]

He will be languishing in the Stockport stiffs soon anyway.

We've all done it...








...wait what!?!!

 

[Rookie]

Good luck to him, hope he has a long and successful career.

I’m surprised that a lad is his position has chosen to go there though. Must be more prospect of breaking into our team than theirs and I doubt the money difference is huge at this stage of his career. Would say the same for a player at Palace or Soton etc if they joined a Utd, City or Chelsea.

 

[B-right-on]

Good luck to him, hope he has a long and successful career.

I’m surprised that a lad is his position has chosen to go there though. Must be more prospect of breaking into our team than theirs and I doubt the money difference is huge at this stage of his career. Would say the same for a player at Palace or Soton etc if they joined a Utd, City or Chelsea.

Dazzled by the Big City Bright Lights. As other posters have said, more than likely he'll get swallowed up and spat out and never play for the ManUre, purely statistically speaking.

You never know, he could still make his way back here in the future if he doesn't make there.

 

[GT49er]

Good luck to him, hope he has a long and successful career.

I’m surprised that a lad is his position has chosen to go there though. Must be more prospect of breaking into our team than theirs and I doubt the money difference is huge at this stage of his career. Would say the same for a player at Palace or Soton etc if they joined a Utd, City or Chelsea.

Except for the queue ahead of him at present for a midfield place - at present it's almost in double figures! Agree not all will make it - and we're in danger on losing the likes of full ingernationals like Mac, Moder and Alzate if they don't get enough game time, putting their international careers in jeopardy - but still there's a lot in his way here. Maybe it's the same at ManU - I've no idea who they've got up and coming - maybe they're just paying him more money, rather than a matter of where he's more likely to break through.

 

[Badger Boy]

Except for the queue ahead of him at present for a midfield place - at present it's almost in double figures! Agree not all will make it - and we're in danger on losing the likes of full ingernationals like Mac, Moder and Alzate if they don't get enough game time, putting their international careers in jeopardy - but still there's a lot in his way here. Maybe it's the same at ManU - I've no idea who they've got up and coming - maybe they're just paying him more money, rather than a matter of where he's more likely to break through.

The chances of him breaking through at either are very slim. Personally, I'd assume he's banking on being more likely to get chances because of his "former Man Utd" status than if he had "only" come through our academy. I think the perception around our academy has already changed and is now very strong, but I don't think there will ever come a time that players coming out of Man Utd won't be fashionable and won't be given more chances than most to succeed.