[Politics] To give Boris Johnson credit....

[Weststander]

Going to be hard to find an excuse to fly it when Northern Ireland and Scotland leave that same Union though in the next few years.

We can’t fight demographics. The Catholics in NI will be the majority population soon enough, the pressure will mount. Long before Brexit was a serious subject, the SNP has been growing inexorably, helped by Blair giving them a huge platform in 1997 with their parliament. Plus, unlike the French Canadians, they refused to accept the 2014 vote as a Neverendum. Brexit was the first excuse Sturgeon could find.

If it’s the will of these nations, so be it, in the same way that Catalans should have their freedom if a majority want it.

 

[vegster]

Oh right - they're going to get referendums, are they?




Only if we say so!

Has it ever crossed your mind of what tends to happen when you force a country to remain in an alliance where even a small majority are forced to do something they don't want to do? I thought that 52%/48% for Leave meant that Leave must happen whatever the cost ? When Scotland and NI shift their positions to being even further towards an alliance with Europe rather than a forced alliance with an England that really does not care about them...…. do you have an inkling of what might happen ? See "Troubles, The"

 

[GT49er]

Has it ever crossed your mind of what tends to happen when you force a country to remain in an alliance where even a small majority are forced to do something they don't want to do? I thought that 52%/48% for Leave meant that Leave must happen whatever the cost ? When Scotland and NI shift their positions to being even further towards an alliance with Europe rather than a forced alliance with an England that really does not care about them...…. do you have an inkling of what might happen ? See "Troubles, The"

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Yes, it has crossed my mind. There is a good argument for NI becoming part of the Republic of Ireland. Partition ultimately is rarely successful. There would be some bloodshed - the UDF would want to kill some people. We'd have to leave that to the Guardia to sort out - well, it wouldn't be our lads over there getting shot at. Probably won't happen though. Scotland - different case altogether; Westminster won't give them a referendum for 'a generation' at least - they've already had two, and bottled it. Next question?

 

[clapham_gull]

David Ross now denying he paid for the holiday.

A spokesman for the businessman told the Daily Mail: “Boris Johnson did not stay in David Ross’s house. Boris wanted some help to find somewhere in Mustique, David called the company who run all the villas and somebody had dropped out. So Boris got the use of a villa that was worth £15,000, but David Ross did not pay any monies whatsoever for this.”

Asked about Johnson’s declaration, the spokesman reportedly said: “I believe it is a mistake.”

 

[dazzer6666]

David Ross now denying he paid for the holiday.

Just a technicality really.....he received a ‘gift’ valued at 15k directly or indirectly via Ross. Whether Ross actually stumped up the ‘cash’ isn’t really relevant. Perfectly normal in considering Anti-Bribery and Corruption instances or other potential conflicts of interest - very common for ‘gifts in kind’ to be offered, at which point the recipient has to declare a value on that gift.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The bitterness still raw from the 12th December 2019 election night. Life’s too short to let it eat away for 5 years.

Where is the Acuri investigation? Where is the Russia report? Corruption needs to be investigated regardless of the number of years passing.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Many Remainers and anti-Tories posters have moved on with their lives and no doubt onto the fresh political debates ahead.

Whilst from sour others, it’s going to be 5 years of one-eyed links to articles.

After the spiteful NSC war over 4 years between Remainers and Brexiteers, augmented with those hung their hopes on Momentum’s marxist economics, it was inevitable that the 12th December would lead to some being bad losers. It would have been the same the other way round.

Fair enough. I just considered that automatically putting the post down to bitterness was an enormous assumption.

 

[Wellesley]

Fair enough. I just considered that automatically putting the post down to bitterness was an enormous assumption.

You're still bitter, aren't you?

 

[Icy Gull]

I was a remainer and have always thought that BJ was a self serving lying faux buffoon, however he does seem to be strong and decisive. Just what the country needed with all the Brexit shit and the alternatives. I care as much whether someone paid for for his holiday as I do that Albion players were involved with balloons

I give him massive credit for forcing Brexit through though.

 

[Dave the OAP]

Lucky sod!

Fantastic place .

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I was a remainer and have always thought that BJ was a self serving lying faux buffoon, however he does seem to be strong and decisive. Just what the country needed with all the Brexit shit and the alternatives. I care as much whether someone paid for for his holiday as I do that Albion players were involved with balloons

I give him massive credit for forcing Brexit through though.

All MPs should be accountable or else corruption rules. You are happy he achieved something you wanted, but I can guarantee he will do something you don’t want. Money buys power.

Accountability is the bedrock of democracy.

 

[Gwylan]

I care as much whether someone paid for for his holiday as I do that Albion players were involved with balloons

I find this astonishing. You wouldn't be concerned if the British prime minister was accepting free holidays from the Russian government? Or the Chinese government?

What if that same government was paying a regular sum?

Or what if the donor were a construction company with a keen interest in building bridges?

The idea of the Register of Interests is to be aware of who is funding politicians and whether there are any vested interests. It's deeply worrying that a PM can accept a considerable amount of money from an unknown source.

 

[Icy Gull]

I find this astonishing. You wouldn't be concerned if the British prime minister was accepting free holidays from the Russian government? Or the Chinese government?

What if that same government was paying a regular sum?

Or what if the donor were a construction company with a keen interest in building bridges?

The idea of the Register of Interests is to be aware of who is funding politicians and whether there are any vested interests. It's deeply worrying that a PM can accept a considerable amount of money from an unknown source.

Massive difference in what you are suggesting and what actually happened though and of course I would feel differently in the circumstances that you suggest. The guy owns carphone warehouse, how is this an unknown source?

It would be naive to think that things like this haven’t happened for centuries and will continue to happen but probably more covertly.

 

[Icy Gull]

All MPs should be accountable or else corruption rules. You are happy he achieved something you wanted, but I can guarantee he will do something you don’t want. Money buys power.

Accountability is the bedrock of democracy.

Actually I wasn’t happy when he became PM but I accept that he was the best of a poor bunch and has got things happening that were in limbo. Trouble with Lefties is that they can’t see ANYTHING good about the Conservatives EVER.

It’s a sad state of affairs imo to be so blinkered and biased.

 

[essbee1]

Actually I wasn’t happy when he became PM but I accept that he was the best of a poor bunch and has got things happening that were in limbo. Trouble with Lefties is that they can’t see ANYTHING good about the Conservatives EVER.

It’s a sad state of affairs imo to be so blinkered and biased.

This. How refreshing would it be if, for once, one side of the House (either political party) were to stand up and say about the other side:

"That's a bleeding good idea". But that would look weak. And of course most politicians are thick as pig sh&t and don't realise that
strength comes in many shapes and forms.

 

[A1X]

Meh, can't get too worked up about this. On the Richter Scale of "bad things Boris Johnson has done in his life" this would be the equivalent of a moth landing on some grass.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

The reason that the likes of trump and Boris are in place is because people are willing to ignore behaviour that would normally have them up in arms because Trump and Boris are offering something that they agree with. Boris seems to have cart Blanche because he played the Brexit card. Trump used the make America great again by promising a wall and shitting on the minorities.
10 years ago these two clowns (and corbyn) would have been consigned to the bin labelled ‘f*ckwits’


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[Thunder Bolt]

Actually I wasn’t happy when he became PM but I accept that he was the best of a poor bunch and has got things happening that were in limbo. Trouble with Lefties is that they can’t see ANYTHING good about the Conservatives EVER.

It’s a sad state of affairs imo to be so blinkered and biased.

I’m not a leftie nor did I vote for Labour. There’s non so blind as though who don’t want to see.
My attitude is always be suspicious of anyone in charge, no matter what their party colours. Corruption is rife.
Follow the money.

Btw the owner of Carphone Warehouse has said he didn’t pay for the holiday so someone is lying.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The reason that the likes of trump and Boris are in place is because people are willing to ignore behaviour that would normally have them up in arms because Trump and Boris are offering something that they agree with. Boris seems to have cart Blanche because he played the Brexit card. Trump used the make America great again by promising a wall and shitting on the minorities.
10 years ago these two clowns (and corbyn) would have been consigned to the bin labelled ‘f*ckwits’


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I wish I could give more than one thumbs up for this post.

Once upon a time, ministers resigned when caught out in lies and failures.

 

[Gwylan]

Massive difference in what you are suggesting and what actually happened though and of course I would feel differently in the circumstances that you suggest. The guy owns carphone warehouse, how is this an unknown source?

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But we don't know what happened, that's the point. All we know is that it's not the Carphone Warehouse guy. So, somebody or some organisation funded this holiday and we have no idea who.

You say that you don't care who did but I'd say it's deeply concerning.