To anyone driving through London...

[Seagull Stew]

Ahh, those lovely box junctions, (many a row this has caused with my London transport planner fiancee).
My argument is this, following the law to it's absolute definition, every person that approaches a box junction must wait (even at a green light) until there is enough space for their car to fit in the other side of that junction. If everyone did this, how would it effect the flow of traffic in central London.
Or, do we just assume that the traffic ahead will flow evenly over the box junction and no driver in front will change over into your lane, so that you will always be able to judge correctly that you can leave that junction at the other end.
Finally, what if a bus indicates and wants to pull out into your lane at a box junction, meaning that you would have to stop on that junction. Which law should I break?
I say, fine, penalise someone for deliberately blocking traffic out of impatience, but don't force someone to feel that they can't stop their car if it is unsafe for them not to do so.

 

[Buzzer]

If this is a way of increasing the funding for council services, I'm quite happy to decide ...

LET THE LAW BREAKERS PAY MORE.

Trouble is it seems to be only car drivers that they target.

Litter? Dog shit? Noise Abatement? Vandalism? Theft? Verbal abuse? Drunk and Disorderly? Fly tipping? Funny how we don't see them enforced so rigidly. No cameras in parks to catch these blighters and the council can enforce and fine for most of those crimes.

Go for the easy targets - car drivers.

£120 is more than some people get fined for assaulting their other halves and I know which is the more anti-social. I'm all for pursuing wrong-doers but lets have some even-handedness about it, eh?

 

[Yorkie]

Trouble is it seems to be only car drivers that they target.

Litter? Dog shit? Noise Abatement? Vandalism? Theft? Verbal abuse? Drunk and Disorderly? Fly tipping? Funny how we don't see them enforced so rigidly. No cameras in parks to catch these blighters and the council can enforce and fine for most of those crimes.

Go for the easy targets - car drivers.

£120 is more than some people get fined for assaulting their other halves and I know which is the more anti-social. I'm all for pursuing wrong-doers but lets have some even-handedness about it, eh?

Vandalism aka criminal damage and drunk/disorderly are as common as motorists (drink driving) in court every day.

You love to say the poor old motorist is being picked on when in reality it isn't true.

 

[Buzzer]

Vandalism aka criminal damage and drunk/disorderly are as common as motorists (drink driving) in court every day.

You love to say the poor old motorist is being picked on when in reality it isn't true.

I did say that MOST of the crimes that I mentioned were enforceable by the council. You just stated the ones that weren't.

I'm sorry Yorkie, but £120 for straying into a junction box is more than my girlfriend's ex got when he was found guilty recently of beating her up. Please don't tell me that motorists aren't seen as a big fat cash cow.

They're law-abiding (i.e. likely to pay the fine ecause they need their car), it's easy-peasy because it's impersonal, no messy stuff like interacting with people and far more profitable than dealing with anti-social behaviour.

 

[Jesus Gul]

Think that community service would be an appropriate punishment in this instance.
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.painting more hatched lines at other junctions that suffer from inconsiderate motorists

 

[m20gull]

I'm sorry Yorkie, but £120 for straying into a junction box is more than my girlfriend's ex got when he was found guilty recently of beating her up. Please don't tell me that motorists aren't seen as a big fat cash cow.

And more than a chav in Dartford got for heaving a brick through the window of my boy's car when he was stuck in traffic.

 

[NMH]

I was surprised by the 'rush hours penalty' if you don't have a permit to drive in London central between certain hours of the day. I only found out, after driving to London recently and spending a couple of days in Hackney.

Lucky for me I arrived on a Saturday, otherwise I would have had to phone and pay a fee to be there - or face a fine!

 

[tedebear]

Hang on, I never said she didn't do it - and I never said she doesn't know it's wrong.

All I'm asking is - when did they start dishing out fine for it? Or has it always been a fineable offence, and how come it's double the speeding penalty?

What I was trying to say is that you shouldn't question when they started dishing out fines as its irrelevant - its illegal so you should have expected a fine!

Its double the speeding penalty because TFL say people who block boxes create traffc jams and hinder emergency vehicles from getting around to accidents...