[Albion] Tino Livramento

[DarrenFreemansPerm]

Thing is, I know Lamptey is injured, but we have Karbownik and Veltman too, I wouldn't blame this guy in thinking the pathway in this position is not exactly clear

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Does anyone really know Karbownik’s position? Veltman is being touted as White’s replacement by many, as for Lamptey, is he a defender, a wing back, a winger, will he actually make it into the field again? We don’t have an actual right back in the squad, strangely Southampton do in Kyle Walker-Peters.

 

[DarrenFreemansPerm]

And Mwepu could play there. And Alzate has. And Gross has.

Unless he is exceptional, and I mean EXCEPTIONAL, it's very unlikely he'll be anywhere near our first team this season.
I've been impressed with Tanimowo too.

According to every article I’ve read he is supposed to be sensational. Personally not a fan of square pegs in round holes, Alzate and Groß are definitely not defenders, and putting Mwepu there weakens the midfield, they’re temporary fixes not long term solutions.

 

[Johnny RoastBeef]

May have been a simple case of other clubs willing to pay him better wages than we were.

I think he will have far less competition at Saints. They've just released Ryan Bertrand so Kyle Walker-Peters will probably switch to left back leaving them without a recognised right back.

 

[Thompson720]

Gutted, but trust the recruitment's decision, maybe the path to the first team isn't as simple here compared to Southampton.

Would also not be surprised if Chelsea wanted a ridiculous sell-on/buy-back clause to not get stung again. I'm sure it'll all come out soon!

 

[Hugo Rune]

Does anyone really know Karbownik’s position? Veltman is being touted as White’s replacement by many, as for Lamptey, is he a defender, a wing back, a winger, will he actually make it into the field again? We don’t have an actual right back in the squad, strangely Southampton do in Kyle Walker-Peters.

I think Potter is going for a back 4 this season.

Right backs (in order of preference) could be:

1. Lamptey
2. Veltman
3. Karbownik (he must have impressed recently for us to pull out of the Tino deal)
4. Alzate

 

[blockhseagull]

Gutted, but trust the recruitment's decision, maybe the path to the first team isn't as simple here compared to Southampton.

Would also not be surprised if Chelsea wanted a ridiculous sell-on/buy-back clause to not get stung again. I'm sure it'll all come out soon!

That’s EXACTLY what the Athletic is reporting … Southampton have agreed to a buy back clause and a significant sell on.

So if he is successful it’s nothing more than a glorified long term loan deal.

 

[Jim in the West]

That’s EXACTLY what the Athletic is reporting … Southampton have agreed to a buy back clause and a significant sell on.

So if he is successful it’s nothing more than a glorified long term loan deal.

Indeed - Chelsea have a really interesting business model - hoovering up loads of young talent, then loaning them or "selling" them to other clubs. They effectively transfer a lot of the risk, give their player the opportunity to play top level football, but still get to make even more money (or a buy-back) if the thing works. I can see why we wouldn't be keen on this...it seems to be at odds with our own model.

 

[Terry Butcher Tribute Act]

Thing is, I know Lamptey is injured, but we have Karbownik and Veltman too, I wouldn't blame this guy in thinking the pathway in this position is not exactly clear

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Slightly ironic if we lose out on a player because of that after 12 months of bleating about our wonderful 'pathway' to the first team in the Athletic and the Argus

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[um bongo molongo]

That’s EXACTLY what the Athletic is reporting … Southampton have agreed to a buy back clause and a significant sell on.

So if he is successful it’s nothing more than a glorified long term loan deal.

The buy back clause is absolutely a loan by another name (one that benefits the selling club even more). I can see why we wouldn’t agree to that (frustrating though it is to miss out).
If we’re thinking Veltman is going to be CB this season, we do need a RB as Lamptey is unfortunately looking unlikely to be an ‘ever present’, and the other options, though decent, are square pegs

 

[Swansman]

Slightly ironic if we lose out on a player because of that after 12 months of bleating about our wonderful 'pathway' to the first team in the Athletic and the Argus

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Maybe sometimes there is a pathway for a player and then sometimes there isnt, depending on various factors.

 

[Springal]

Slightly ironic if we lose out on a player because of that after 12 months of bleating about our wonderful 'pathway' to the first team in the Athletic and the Argus

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Is it ? So all the good work with Ben White, Lamptey, Sanchez, potentially Ostigard is all undone because Chelsea agreed a deal with Southampton rather than us ? But dramatic innnit ?

 

[Terry Butcher Tribute Act]

Maybe sometimes there is a pathway for a player and then sometimes there isnt, depending on various factors.

Indeed. Essentially, if they are any good they will play.

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[Machiavelli]

I think Potter is going for a back 4 this season.

Right backs (in order of preference) could be:

1. Lamptey
2. Veltman
3. Karbownik (he must have impressed recently for us to pull out of the Tino deal)
4. Alzate

The overwhelming consensus on NSC is that we'll play a back three/five. Now you're saying we'll play a back four. My hunch -- well, it's more than a hunch, it's based on two season's worth of evidence and [MENTION=38333]Swansman[/MENTION]'s input -- is that we'll play both. I also think you're reading too much into Karbownik, we don't know that.

 

[Marshy]

The overwhelming consensus on NSC is that we'll play a back three/five. Now you're saying we'll play a back four. My hunch -- well, it's more than a hunch, it's based on two season's worth of evidence and [MENTION=38333]Swansman[/MENTION]'s input -- is that we'll play both. I also think you're reading too much into Karbownik, we don't know that.

Its the beauty of Potter, the opposition does not know what we are going to play, and we are equally adept at both formations.

I prefer us as a 5 with wing backs, however the flexibilty to switch is awesome

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

This coincides with the cold water being poured on signing a new central defender.

Maybe we are diverting more of the money to the striker fund and it's just a striker and left (wing) back we are focusing on now.

 

[Dunk&Disorderly]

I doubt we would've agreed to a buy-out clause and therefore exited the race. A bit disappointing but with Lamptey/Veltman/Karbo we're quite nicely covered.

 

[Live by the sea]

If the club spends a lot of time developing a player and improving him , they don’t want a buy back clause hanging over them . Southampton have agreed to a glorified loan deal , if he comes good , he’s back at Chelsea . I can completely understand why Brighton would not want to agree to such a deal .

Let’s move on .

 

[The Fifth Column]

If the club spends a lot of time developing a player and improving him , they don’t want a buy back clause hanging over them . Southampton have agreed to a glorified loan deal , if he comes good , he’s back at Chelsea . I can completely understand why Brighton would not want to agree to such a deal .

Let’s move on .

Totally agree, It is effectively nothing but a potentially expensive different type of loan. All the risk sits with the 'buying' club, they shell out a larger than normal fee for a youngster and if he turns out crap it's money down the drain, if he turns out good the selling club get him back. I think the Albion prefer to own their players rather than develop them for someone else benefit and if the buy back clause was a condition then I can see that being the reason we've pulled out. I can see the attraction of this clause to the player as he gets to.retain the possibility of going back to a big club of he is successful, win win for him.

 

[dazzer6666]

If the club spends a lot of time developing a player and improving him , they don’t want a buy back clause hanging over them . Southampton have agreed to a glorified loan deal , if he comes good , he’s back at Chelsea . I can completely understand why Brighton would not want to agree to such a deal .

Let’s move on .

Exactly……….rather than the reported ‘lost out’, very possible we’ve ‘walked away’ on this basis.

 

[maltaseagull]

Does anyone really know Karbownik’s position? Veltman is being touted as White’s replacement by many, as for Lamptey, is he a defender, a wing back, a winger, will he actually make it into the field again? We don’t have an actual right back in the squad, strangely Southampton do in Kyle Walker-Peters.

I thought that Karbownik’s defending was poor V Luton.

I had great hopes but he may need more time and coaching.