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[Albion] Tino Livramento
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Let’s not compare Lamps to jelly legs Buckley just yet
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Nobby Cybergoat
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Agree with everyone saying that Veltman was out of position at Wing Back. We now need him to focus on being a centre back.
More cover at RWB needed. Lamptey is brilliant, but at this stage we can't expect him to play 90 every week, even if his fitness holds ... which is doubtful.
More cover at RWB needed. Lamptey is brilliant, but at this stage we can't expect him to play 90 every week, even if his fitness holds ... which is doubtful.
S'hampton Seagull
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What does this mean for Karbownik? We will have Solly and (hopefully) Cucurealla at LWB, Lamptey and this chap at RWB, unless I'm missing something.
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Braggfan
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I don't agree that Veltman was out of position last year. He played right wing back in most of his games and was arguably our player of the season. To the point where people were questioning on here if he should start ahead of Lamptey. I think he is very comfortable in that position.
The fact he can play centreback as well shows how versatile he is, and what a massive asset he is.
I'm not against getting more right back cover, because strength in depth is important. But I just disagree with the notion that Veltman was out of position there, because he was absolutely class last year.
The fact he can play centreback as well shows how versatile he is, and what a massive asset he is.
I'm not against getting more right back cover, because strength in depth is important. But I just disagree with the notion that Veltman was out of position there, because he was absolutely class last year.
Doc Lynam
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He's a right CB
casbom
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IF we get both Cucurella and Livramento then I can see Karbownik going out on loan. I should imagine Lamptey and Livramento will share the RWB role but also times where Lamptey is pushed forward ahead of Livramento.
Nobby Cybergoat
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Totally agree. He was class at RWB. But even better at RCB. That's where he should start.
midnight_rendezvous
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I thought the same throughout the second half of last season. With Lamptey, March and, at times, Webster injured, where is (was) Karbo?
Unless Lamptey is pushed further forward, I can’t see room for the three of them in the squad. All very head scratching that we recalled Karbo, a talented young lad who was nominated for the golden boy award, and then used him once in the FA cup.
Blue Valkyrie
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Well we wait and see.
I read somewhere a while back that we weren't interested in selling or loaning Karbo out but things change of course.
Braggfan
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I'm not saying he can't play at Centre Back, but the posts about him not being a right wing back imply he's no good there, or at least we shouldn't play him there. And I think that's wrong, or the very least a limited view to hold of his abilties, because as I say he was amazing in that position, and arguably better than Lamptey.
Braggfan
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I have no problem with him, being a RCB, and i want him to play there, as it means we can play both him and Lamptey. But I think thats the point to make, that he's so good his versatility means he can play and be excellent in different positions which allows us to accomdoate other great players in the line up. Rather than saying he's limited to CB, which is kind of implied by the posts saying he's not a right back.
He's only 20 and adjusting to a new country and league that h'e only been in for a few months, there's no rush. Plus he's very versatile, can play right left and in midfield. His first position was as a midfielder and he only started playing at LB/LWB in 2019/2020.
Nobby Cybergoat
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OK. I see this transfer window as a chance to make sure we're not continually playing players out of position.
I mean, nobody did a bad job for us out wide, Burn, Moder, Gross, Veltman, but I think if you asked all of them, they would probably say they're only filling in there and they are better players through the middle. None of these players gave us the consistent quality of delivery that Solly or Tariq did, (OK Pascal did, but he couldn't get back)
I agree with you on versatility, it's great that players have more than one string to their bow, and GP obviously values that, but there's a limit to how far you can take it.
I personally think cover in wide areas in this window is just as important as someone up front
Doc Lynam
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I think you've got yourself a bit muddled. He's not a RWB, he is a CB. He did a job for us at RWB but he is neither quick nor dynamic both needed, he did a job because he's a very smart footballer. He's a smart CB who really should be played in his preferred position.
That’s a prescriptive view.
In reality, I believe Veltman produced some MoM performances at RWB and scored a goal last season.
He’d played RB for Ajax a number of times.
I’d prefer to see him at CB too but he was a far far better wingback than Groß, Moder and arguably Burn.
Braggfan
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I do agree with lots of what your saying. I do think it’s massively important that we don’t play people out of position, because the margins are so fine in the Prem that you can get caught out. I do think it’s slightly odd that you say that about Veltman but don’t think that applies to March. I guess, the thing here is that Veltman probably lacks March’s offensive skills, and March lacks Veltman’s defensive abilities, and Lamptey can do both. Which really illustrates the point you make about the importance of having specialists in those roles.
My only gripe is that some of the comments about Veltman “doing a job”, in my opinion appear to undermine his performances last year, which I think is unfair. I think he was virtually faultless throughout the season.
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I agree with you. Some motm performances from Velts at wing back. He’s absolutely comfortable on the ball and bringing it out.
And I could be wrong but didn’t he also play there for Ajax in the Champions League.
Mancgull
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Veltman, March and Lamptey all have great qualities. One that is obvious but shouldnt be overlooked from a defensive perspective is Lamptey’s pace. He was often the man defending when we have a corner, to mitigate the quick break. We’ll need his pace at the back as White was often used as the foil to the opposition’s pace. Let’s just hope we can get him back and fit to play.
Doc Lynam
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RB is very different to RWB you wouldn't play Lamptey as a right back he's too small, but perfect at RWB where his height can be less exploited on the touchline and his athleticism defensive/ attacking positioning can be used. Veltman did brilliant but he's not quick enough or attack minded. I really rate the guy but he's a RCB or RB, I'd agree for sure.
His success last season was some what symbiotic with the team; the team formation gave him the room breath down the right, and he gave the team a reduced outlet to expand on the right wing. This for me is why we're going after Tino that's your Lamptey cover in GP eyes.