[Football] Tinkering stats

[Arthur]

Anyone who follows my political observation and commentary will testify I always take a balanced, and informed, view. Ben White has been brilliant in his first season in the top flight.

For balance I disagree. I think he has been the emperor's new clothes especially when playing in midfield.

Yes he was very good on Saturday but he was against a non existent Leeds midfield.

Potential yes, brilliant no.

 

[neilbard]

Bugger, he’s getting worse isn’t he?

I love stats as they are often incredibly misleading. I don’t pay much attention though, same for XG

This thread is about stats.

 

[Icy Gull]

Balanced view eh?

You’re criticising the manager for tinkering too much. After his team selection gave us a brilliant win at the weekend. And you’re using Ben White to back up your incredible insight, who himself had a man of the match performance.

Other than that great points.

Like you I am a massive GP fan but all those who aren’t do not deserve crucifixion

 

[blue-shifted]

Like you I am a massive GP fan but all those who aren’t do not deserve crucifixion

That's way too good for them ... cue a few Python memes

 

[neilbard]

... and the point is?

Same as the OP no point, they are only stats.

 

[vagabond]

Like you I am a massive GP fan but all those who aren’t do not deserve crucifixion

Well I mean, not being funny, fair enough Potter’s had a ton of stick from NSC past few weeks.. and largely it’s hard to argue with bad results.

But the bloke gets a brilliant result for us on Saturday, with an incredible goal which we all enjoyed, and on the Monday morning after you got guys having a pop at him. Just bizarre to me.

 

[Icy Gull]

Well I mean, not being funny, fair enough Potter’s had a ton of stick from NSC past few weeks.. and largely it’s hard to argue with bad results.

But the bloke gets a brilliant result for us on Saturday, with an incredible goal which we all enjoyed, and on the Monday morning after you got guys having a pop at him. Just bizarre to me.

In fairness, very few having a pop just a small number who seem almost disappointed and still calling for his head, which IS bizarre.

This is a mostly positive place at the moment imo. Nothing wrong with people not being convinced yet though, we need more points for that.

 

[Billy the Fish]

Well I mean, not being funny, fair enough Potter’s had a ton of stick from NSC past few weeks.. and largely it’s hard to argue with bad results.

But the bloke gets a brilliant result for us on Saturday, with an incredible goal which we all enjoyed, and on the Monday morning after you got guys having a pop at him. Just bizarre to me.

If I spent the last month saying I think he should be sacked and then instantly change my mind after the first win you'd be calling me fickle.

 

[Swansman]

I'm sure those who think he "tinkers" too much would have been delighted with him if he didnt change a single player during that 8 game winless streak...

 

[El Presidente]

For balance I disagree. I think he has been the emperor's new clothes especially when playing in midfield.

Yes he was very good on Saturday but he was against a non existent Leeds midfield.

Potential yes, brilliant no.

Agree, at CB he's been okay, has struggled at times in the air at set pieces (not the only one to do that) and was turned inside out by Rashford. He's made some good interceptions and does look confident on the ball. Has brought the ball well out of defence, but so has Webster.

Definitely his best match for the Albion on Saturday, certainly scope to get better and more consistent.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Balanced view eh?

You’re criticising the manager for tinkering too much. After his team selection gave us a brilliant win at the weekend. And you’re using Ben White to back up your incredible insight, who himself had a man of the match performance.

Other than that great points.

Oh my goodness !!!! I am not criticizing him for tinkering.This thread is not an ‘in’/‘out’ thread. The premise is a stat that tells us something but not everything about the tinkering. I used Ben White as an example of tinkering that would not be captured by this particular stat. It cannot be that you are this uncomprehending so I can only assume I am being whooshed by a comedy account.

 

[Hugo Rune]

I'm sure those who think he "tinkers" too much would have been delighted with him if he didnt change a single player during that 8 game winless streak...

It’s profoundly simplistic to declare that ‘Potter does not know his best 11’.

If some people don’t understand the tactics, rather than listen to Potter’s justifications, they revert to ancient football cliches such as ‘you must have a best 11’. In reality, Potter has a best 11 for each of the 38 EPL games, the fact that this 11 differs depending on opposition feeds into another mainstay and frequently debunked cliche of the Potter Out Campaign: “Don’t set your team up to counter the opposition, let the opposition worry about you”.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Potter clearly IS over-tinkering. Just check out the Predict Potter's Picks thread. No two successive sides the same, often with seemingly perverse selection of players relegated to the bench. How does ANY club begin to build something meaningful from such a scattergun approach?

 

[Pavilionaire]

I think from the OP's stats you can draw the conclusion that the more settled your side the better you perform.

The top 3 sides - Villa, Southampton and West Ham are all - arguably - performing much better than expected. And I see no reason why our team shouldn't settle down and results improve too.

 

[Reddleman]

You should also factor in a higher than usual level of injuries, without which that 74% would be higher.

Connolly, Lallana, Alzate, Wellbeck. Quite a few others.

Also factor in a permanent change of keeper which we didn't see in previous years.

This for me is a key point. If Lallana, Welbeck and Lamptey were fit they would start every game and that figure would be much higher.

For all the tinkering criticism thrown at Potter we all know that if everyone was fit:

Lamptey, Webster, Dunk, March, White, Bissouma, Maupay, Lallana and Welbeck would start pretty much every game. Given he has now settled on a keeper that’s a pretty settled 11 if he could pick it.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

This for me is a key point. If Lallana, Welbeck and Lamptey were fit they would start every game and that figure would be much higher.

For all the tinkering criticism thrown at Potter we all know that if everyone was fit:

Lamptey, Webster, Dunk, March, White, Bissouma, Maupay, Lallana and Welbeck would start pretty much every game. Given he has now settled on a keeper that’s a pretty settled 11 if he could pick it.

He's got a more or less settled keeper and back 3 now. Everything beyond that is pretty much spin the bottle

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Potter clearly IS over-tinkering. Just check out the Predict Potter's Picks thread. No two successive sides the same, often with seemingly perverse selection of players relegated to the bench. How does ANY club begin to build something meaningful from such a scattergun approach?

I suspect the plan is to have 25 players capable of contributing on a game-by game basis throughout the season.

The idea of a best 11, with backups for injury and suspension, isn't a particularly inspiring model.

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

If you asked him what his best back 3/5 is, I’m 99% sure he would say it’s;

Lamptey Webster Dunk White March

Injuries haven’t made that possible as often as he’d like and he knows the option of White in midfield is also a strong one given the quality of cover in defence. If the club get a midfielder who perfectly complements Bissouma, then it’ll hopefully mean White gets predominantly played at centre back.

I’m far less sure he knows what his best attacking trio/quartet is.

 

[blue-shifted]

If Potter is known for one thing is tactical flexibility according to an opponent.

We can't go on about him not knowing his best XI

 

[blue-shifted]

If you asked him what his best back 3/5 is, I’m 99% sure he would say it’s;

Lamptey Webster Dunk White March

Injuries haven’t made that possible as often as he’d like and he knows the option of White in midfield is also a strong one given the quality of cover in defence. If the club get a midfielder who perfectly complements Bissouma, then it’ll hopefully mean White gets predominantly played at centre back.

I’m far less sure he knows what his best attacking trio/quartet is.

I don't agree.

I think he'd include Veltman and push White into midfield